That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

[Badmoonsarising]

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/15/trans-woman-rachel-mckinnon-cycling-world-championship/amp/

I am appalled.

How would the world champion in the 35-39 age category, have felt about a 25 year old entering that race because they felt older?
Age important, but not biological sex?
Bollocks

So you get that the cooties was with reference to XY taking on female identifying XY and nothing to do with XY v XX then?

Good.

The photo is of the women's rugby team in action. I assure you I would be extremely badly damaged if I went into a tackle with them. The fact they are XX makes no difference. It would be just as irresponsible to put me on the pitch against them as against men.

Sport always needs to be safe, but at the participation level down at the grass roots, it is about putting people against each other who are of relevant skill levels and physical build. That really doesn't (and often isn't) need to be done along gender lines.

left off photo....

Oh yeah, and congratulations to Carolien Van Herrikhuyzen. I hope she will receive her rightful gold medal when sanity prevails.

Women need to really wake up to what is happening all around them.

Our rights and spaces, our boundaries, even the language we use to describe ourselves are under threat.

M3lon
Should women be allowed to play football for Premier League clubs?
At the moment they are banned because they are women

and for the record, some of the female players are very, VERY good

No, we just find our level. That might be against mediocre women, it might be against beginner men. Who gives a crap?

But women who have fulfilled their potential physically and are the best they can possibly be, will still lose against men who are mediocre, who haven't fulfilled their potential and aren't they best they can be. That's not fair. That's different to men losing against someone like Usain Bolt.

jaques jesus not you too. I said there was no problem at the elite level with men playing against XY who identify as female.

Do you get it?

Women, please google Fallon Fox, cage fighter, and be appalled.

Ffs. And they wonder why people are transphobic.

Fucking ridiculous. He isnt a woman. He may identify as one but he should not be allowed to take part in WOMENS sports.

I think I've just reached peak trans.

Elephant why is that different? Its unfair to lose to someone more physically gifted than you. Why should it matter if that physical gift is down to race, sex, or anything else?

Women's medals ceremonies look ridiculous with one biological male competitor on the podium, imagine how surreal it's going to look in 5-10 years when it's 3 biological males on the podium for a women's sport medals ceremony. If you didn't laugh you'd cry.

talkin I'd have thought premier league football is too physical for that to be safe.

No, we just find our level. That might be against mediocre women, it might be against beginner men. Who gives a crap?

That's fine if you genuinely don't care and don't play a contact sport that potentially is very dangerous when males play against females.

I have a female relative who competes at a high level. She gave up most of her free time from being about age 10 to train at least 6 days a week. Just one male competing against her regularly would ruin her years of dedication and ambition.

Women and girls are allowed to be ambitious and want to be the best in their chosen sport.

It really really doesn't matter. Keep encouraging girls to do sport! The reasons for girls to do sport was never so they could win olympic gold. It was for their health and their enjoyment.

Have you ever met an elite athlete? For many (for good or ill) their sport defines them: second is only 'best loser'.

The training, the nutrition, the everything, is about WINNING: that's what it is.

Elite athletes are temperamentally different to 'normal' people - that's why they're elites. If you take the possibility of winning away from them, then it might seem to some to no longer be worth it.

As I said I think if you are going to have a category at all it should be XX.

I said there was no problem at the elite level with men playing against XY who identify as female

That makes no sense.

Obviously because you’re crap at sport you don’t understand it? Or care?

Elephant why is that different? Its unfair to lose to someone more physically gifted than you. Why should it matter if that physical gift is down to race, sex, or anything else?

So are you saying we should do away with sex segregation in sport then?

This is just belittling womens rights.

It makes me so annoyed that this man could also use and abuse his trans position because we give them such rights. Hes male. He can play around with the female thing but this is a step too far. As is sharing female facilities.

thistle none of that is good though is it? Do you know what fraction of elite athletes end up in rehab?

Obsession isn't healthy and I wouldn't wish a pro sports career on my worst enemy.

Also, as a sports coach, I am terrified of having to deal with a male-born person wanting to join my women’s team. If I do select them for the team, I am risking the safety of my players and their opposition. And it would exclude some women of faith from playing. If I don’t choose the male-born person, I am at risk of being accused of Transphobia.

I, and many grassroots coaches, are volunteers in our spare time. We spend a lot of time organising the teams, keeping our skills up to date and following health and safety and safeguarding requirements (as we should do) and have neither the time nor resources to deal with the potential issues arising from this. This will drive coaches and other volunteers away from sport.

I wonder, Dancing. McKinnon does stand out as the obvious "odd one out" - but 20 years time, if we've all been bludgeoned into accepting that transwomen are women, will the eight XY individuals lining up for the women's 100m Olympic final look odd any more, or will that just have become our mental template for what an "athletic woman" looks like?

I hope not, but I think there are enough blue-haired youngsters out there campaigning for the "four legs good, two legs better" ideology that I could see this coming to pass.

M3lon
I'd have thought premier league football is too physical for that to be safe
Ah bless, typical sexist bloke excuse