That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

[Badmoonsarising]

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/15/trans-woman-rachel-mckinnon-cycling-world-championship/amp/

Why isn't that hulking great person playing basketball against young girls embarrassed? They fucking should be.

datun whether it's meant as an insult to people with PD or not, it's just factually incorrect to say they have a PD. That's just on a basic level.

Further, it gets pretty annoying when people equate shit behaviour with PD. "This person is behaving like an asshole - must be NPD." "This person is screaming and shouting - must be BPD." Yes, that is prejudiced, and it's a prejudice against a very vulnerable group of people.

Maybe your concern is not about people with mh issues. That's neither here nor there, conflating trans issues and personality disorder is not ok.

BiologyMatters

There is some rule that says you can only play for two years (under a certain condition, I can't recall). So they played for two years as a man, then two more as a woman. A double cheat.

I can't understand why individual schools, organisations, sporting bodies aren't just saying no.

No.

Because it's my understanding that the IOC guidelines are just that. Guidelines. It's not law.

That's neither here nor there, conflating trans issues and personality disorder is not ok.

I'm not. I'm saying gender dysphoria is a medical disorder. And gender dysphoria is the cornerstone of trans. Some people, at the moment, believe that trans should not be related to gender dysphoria.

My question is, in that case what is it?

It's a rhetorical question. Because the answer is it's a fetish.

It's either a psychological disorder, or a fetish.

If a man chooses to become a transwoman in order to cheat women, this has to be examined. Does he have a mental health condition which qualifies him to be trans or not?

Gender dysphoria is such a condition. If he doesn't have it, why is he trans?

It's not helpful to decide that being transgender is not related to a mental health condition. Because if it isn't, what is it?

I can't understand why individual schools, organisations, sporting bodies, aren't just saying no
Because everything that is organised for women only is targeted or infiltrated. We have got to start organising against or boycotting these organisations, instead of the individual. That exhibition that was using the 'womxn' word soon backed down when feelings were made clear on twitter, so it can work.

datun A personality disorder is not the same thing as a mental health condition. No one thinks that gender dysphoria is a personality disorder.

Beyond that, the way it was phrased is what I have the issue with. It was very clearly meant to mean that people who lie and cheat must have a PD, they couldn't just be an asshole.

Anyway, this is way off topic and I've said all I want to say.

This picture....
It's pretty clear there's no fairness or equality.

Anyway, this is way off topic and I've said all I want to say.

No worries. We're probably at slight cross purposes.

@Sarahjconnor yes I was thinking this on the way to work.

Men with fetishes are being celebrated and elevated into positions of power and influence.

This has always happened of course but they used to hide their fetishes. Now with the proliferation of easily accessible porn they feel empowered to celebrate their fetish in plain view.

M3lon,

The overwhelming majority of sport is done by people with no hope in hell of becoming pro. For all those people the fairness of the top level sport is totally irrelevant.

It's not just at top level though is it?
I was at a women's running race a couple of weeks ago. A transwoman was competing. 6' 2ish, absolutely ripped.
They want a chance of winning or even just a decent placing.
They had no chance, they were annihilated.
Afterwards they felt it was pointless competing. How do I convince them otherwise? They're right!

OMG Sarah That's funny

Except its not that funny when you realise this is what is happening to women's sport.

hoping there seems to be an underlying sentiment amongst people that defend this that being competitive and aiming to win is unladylike behaviour and unbecoming for a woman.

Strangely though nobody seems to think this about the penis women.

I used these kind of examples when I filled out www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004 which closes 11pm on 19 October 2018.

I also pointed out if women and girls turn away in increasing numbers from using sporting faculties their economic viability and thus their existance is threaten for all the population.

So sorry, that should have read "my girls wanted a chance of winning, but they were annihilated"! By the transwoman!!!
So frustrating for my daughters.
They thought there were in with a chance of winning a decent place/medal.

A friend of mine was due to run in a half marathon, she was sick on the day and couldn't go. Her 19 year old son asked if he could take her number and do the run. He did, and won the women's race grin . After they called his mum's name for a bit he went up and confessed and the real winner of the women's race claimed her price.

Genuine question which I hope someone can help me with: Since the Amendments to the GRA which deal with such things as self ID haven't been passed yet, why are we already seeing such massive enabling of things like this?

I'm all for getting things in place in good time, but wouldn't it be better to know what's legally allowed and what's not before allowing this kind of stampede over others' rights?

And forgive me if I've misunderstood any of this; to my shame I used to think it was a lot of fuss about nothing and I'm not as "up to speed" as some on this issue

My friend did similar, kendodd. He's a top amateur runner and his 10K time in the race would've qualified him for the nationals, not far off Paula Radcliffe's PB. He did let them know on the day that he wasn't really called Emma and that his time shouldn't be counted as a woman's (he won the overall race). We thought it was so funny that it would even be considered that "Emma" might be getting a knock on the door from British athletics 

Genuine question which I hope someone can help me with: Since the Amendments to the GRA which deal with such things as self ID haven't been passed yet, why are we already seeing such massive enabling of things like this?

Because we live in a misogynist world and there are many men people who cannot wait to see the smile wiped off a woman's face.

Many other people are too cowardly to do anything about it, and so enable the behaviour.

There's a woman on the Pink News thread on FB who claims that she has studied the science of gender variant people and actually transwomen are at no physical advantage over women at all.

www.facebook.com/pinknews/posts/10156922447336518?comment_id=10156922984021518&reply_comment_id=10156924459376518&notif_id=1539683396722066&notif_t=feed_comment_reply

She has studied the topic for 7 years apparently and when her child (MtF) is old enough, they will take oestrogen and go through female puberty. This is 'science' apparently. FFS

And someone has posted a batshit article which has lots more 'science' in it: www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/sports-longest-injustice-scheduled-demolition/

Puzzledandpissedoff

The equality act and the gender recognition act are both being leveraged to exploit the law.

It gets complicated, because the acts contradict each other, conflate sex and gender and are clearly written for a purpose other than the one for which they are being used. Plus there are guidelines, which aren't actually law, but you'd be risking litigation, if you don't adhere to them.

The equality act says one of the protected characteristics is gender reassignment. This does not mean surgery, it means intending to transition. Which can be telling your mum, for instance. Because it doesn't specify. Just anywhere on the journey.

It also says you can exclude people based on this characteristic, as long as it is a 'proportionate means to a legitimate aim'.

You can see the problem. None of this has been tested in court, and so these woolly descriptions are not being nailed down.

The gender recognition act affects two specific things. All women shortlists and prisons. Because you have to be a legal woman, rather than being protected under the characteristic gender reassignment.

But, anecdotally, if someone has a GRC, they are considered more 'women' than someone who is just using the protected characteristic.

Then there is the vital matter that sex is also a protected characteristic. But if anyone can change their sex, it's meaningless.

TRAs claim that getting a gender recognition certificate is simply admin. Based on the fact that they can claim to be a woman under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

It's disingenuous, because gender reassignment was not designed so that men can play female sport or get sent to female prisons.

There is no law that says men should be sent to female prisons, the prison service are interpreting things based on advice from transactivists.

From what I can tell, at the moment, it's all about interpretation on how far you can push it for your own agenda.

Transactivists have had a head start, because they have been pushing it in schools, universities, the NHS, the police, the NSPCC and government for the best part of 15 years.

I'm sure you are still just confused. Welcome to the club!

KatherinaMinola thank you for answering me, and yes it seems to be true that some are just too cowardly to confront this, but the question of WHY still remains

If it's right that each sports body can decide for themselves ATM, and if self ID hasn't yet been passed into law, it's not even as if someone could be sued for saying an outright "no". Granted there'd be an outcry from the TRAs, but they're still just a noisy minority so I really don't get why nobody in authority's prepared to stick their neck out and stand up for what's so plainly right

I think it goes beyond not wanting to stick their neck out, as I say. There are a lot of men rubbing their hands with glee at the chance to get one over a woman so this is catnip to them - they can do it in the name of progress and then smile smugly because no-one dare challenge them.