That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

[Badmoonsarising]

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

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That's simply untrue ash.

It used to be something like male athletes have 13 mmols of testosterone, females have 2 mmols of testosterone, trans women must have no more than have 8 mmols.

Olympic rules are under 10 I think. But McKinnon argues that's unfair and discriminatory

It’s a fucking disgrace.

i find it absolutely horrific reading these comments
I find your comments stupid and wonder why you hate women so much.

i find it absolutely horrific reading these comments

I know. Isn't it atrocious when women call out fraud and cheating by men?

A woman won it.

Ashvivienne, I’m sorry you find this thread horrifying. However, please check your facts. You’ll find that the level of testosterone for trans women athletes is not required to be below that of female athletes.

Also, even if two athletes have the same level of testosterone, the trans athlete will still be at an advantage (assuming they started taking hormones after going through puberty) because these hormones do not reverse the effects of height, greater lung capacity and existing muscle (although they will affect the propensity to develop new muscle).

Some of the issues surrounding trans vs women’s rights are very complex. This one is a no brainier. It’s fucking ridiculous to allow natal males to compete against females. I’ve not met a single real person who thinks otherwise.

Different lungs, different heart, different bones, different muscles. Even the ability to sweat differently.

There are other differences too.

Basic biological differences being pointed out is now deemed transphobic. Really?

Is isn't just about testosterone Ash. Have you not read anything?!

The flat earthers are here!

Cheating bastard

Jan Wagner Assali has spoken out. Good for her. She was SECOND. Not third.

I'd rather be called transphobic than be so determined to be kind and nice that I'll say there's no problem with men competing against women and taking first prize. There's worse things in the world than being called transphobic. I support the right of transpeople to live their life however they choose up to the point that intersects with women's rights. Because sex segregation and biology matters. Humans can't change sex.

Sorry Jen.

The vast majority of tweets are completely against this.

This, from Rachel McKinnon: "I’m sometimes misquoted as saying the performance advantage is irrelevant. It’s not, per se, that the advantage question is irrelevant. Its that the way that we think about human rights, in that legal and ethical standards of when it’s OK to override a person’s human right, is that the performance advantages aren’t high enough."

So what they're saying is that their rights trump women's rights?

Absolutely ridiculous.

What these people can't seem to grasp is that we don't just have a women's category so that we can paint our nails and braid each other's hair in the changing room before competitions. It has nothing to do with 'feelings' or presenting as feminine or whatever. We have women's sports because we have a MASSIVE physical disadvantage compared to men.

Rachel McKinnon seems to keep going on about how she doesn't win every race as if that is proof. I mean, maybe one time out of 20 I could beat my husband in some kind of race, but that doesn't mean I'm therefore on a level playing field. We have no idea how long each competitor has been training, physical issues they have, diet, how good their coach is etc. They seem to think that unless they are mashing the competition every time, they're not really a thread.

Serena Williams is far stronger than most women, more skilled and the best woman tennis player ever. But even she can't beat a pretty mediocre male tennis player. How can they not see that that means that people born as men simply cannot compete against women in any way that is fair?

I sincerely hope that people speak out against this. This is not fair AT ALL.

Phillipa York who used to be Robert Millar raced in the Tour De France in the mens race.

She races as Robert Millar and transitioned after she stopped competing though.

There is absolutely no point in any women’s’ anything if the changes to the GRA are passed.

No point in any single sex or sex seperated category. Because the logic goes “trans women are women, therefore if they are in a women only role it is no threat to that woman only category because they are women”

This peak transed me. I had an argument with someone on Twitter about it. Then I thought I’d better delete my comments in case I said something that might be read as a hate crime.

I don’t actually hate or fear transgender people. I support those who truly have for a long time felt they were born in the wrong body.

But this cyclist, and the man who won business woman of the year even though he’s a man a few times a week. This is negating all the hard work women are and have been doing to achieve equality. It feels like we are being mocked.

biology 100%. I couldn't give a shit about being 'nice'. Polite and respectful is one thing. But if someone wants to call me transphobic, they're welcome to do so. I'm not going to lie and pretend I think men are women in case someone thinks I'm not liberal enough.

I fully support everyone's right to live as they wish, wear what they like, do whatever hobby they like, but that doesn't mean they get to trample all over everybody else's rights. That's just not on.

I hate the way there seems to be some kind of hive mind on this stuff. We must be non-racist, non-homophobic, non-transphobic etc etc to the extent that you can't even question things without being labelled any of these things. Well, I know plenty of gay guys who openly mock bisexuality. I know tons of Asians who are racist against black people. I know tons of Muslims who hate Jewish people. So where does that leave us? Are we allowed to question those beliefs or not, when the person expressing them is also in a protected group. It's not as black and white as all these woke bros seem to think. My guess is that 90% of them live in ivory towers and never actually interact with normal people on a day-to-day basis, it's all white, middle class, university-educated fuckery.

I don't remember the last time I saw any of them stand up in support of poor people, disabled people, mentally ill people, single mums etc etc. These are the true vulnerable people in our society, not someone who decided that putting a dress on = a woman.

Am I right in thinking that the consultation on self-id closes this Friday? fairplayforwomen.com/how-to/

What McKinnon said is typical TRA narcissism. It's all about them and the hell with anyone else. It's all about their feelings and their identity and everyone has to submit.

Fuck you, McKinnon.

I'm white, middle class and university educated, ThisIsTheFirstStep, and I'm still livid. Women have been told FOREVER that they must not think this, say this, behave like this. Men's rights always trump ours - and now we're being told to shut up for pointing out that biological men shouldn't be able to compete against biological females in sport. Which makes us all prejudiced and trans-phobic apparently. If trans women were really women they'd give a shit about all this stuff. But they don't. They care about themselves and to hell with the rest of womenkind.