That a male just won a women’s cycling World Championship?

[Badmoonsarising]

Can’t really get my mind round this tbh though i was aware of another male Laurel Hubbard taking medals in the Women’s Weight Lifting World Championships earlier this year. Are we really ready for males winning the Women’s Wimbledon Title and the women’s Olympic 100m Final?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/15/trans-woman-rachel-mckinnon-cycling-world-championship/amp/

I signed my 9 year old son up to the Lawn Tennis Association recently so he can compete in tennis matches. One of the questions to sign him up was "what gender do you associate yourself with?"! I assume that means a boy could associate as a girl, and therefore play in girls' matches in future? It's mixed teams at the moment, but we have to field a girl in all matches. Which is made a total mockery of, if kids can choose to identify as a girl, whether they are or not.

I despair of how we've got to this.

I’m going to identify as a poodle and try out for Crufts

It's okay to stand up and call this out. It's okay to be angry. Transphobic is not the worst insult in the world. Sticking the word 'phobic' on the end of everything is meaningless and tyrannical.

That's really unfair. If biological males are allowed to identify into womens sport, then it leaves nowhere for biological women to go. Way to put women and girls off from sport / competing.

I've just shown the OP photo to DS who is a fairly woke teen. He said that's a man and I told him that's the winner of the women's world championship. He got it when I said it would be like him (v tall) being the no.1 goal scorer in U14 netball and how would his female friends at school feel?

But the thing is, it's not ok to stand up for this, if you don't want to be labelled as transphobic and risk losing your job. I'm really saddened by this.

It's all about equailty if a women won the mens there would be no outrage .You can't pick and choose

Women should just stop competing for a bit to point out the sheer insanity of this policy. Or even make their own leagues where you compete based on birth gender.

For those quibbling on this: men have longer reach, more powerful grip, bigger lung capacity, more muscle mass etc. All the biological advantages to compete for a mate and hunt on the plains. No amount of hormone therapy is going to change that. The weakest man on earth is still physically more advantaged than a lot of women of the same size. And they bloody know it.

You don't get brownie points for calling her male. That's just being an asshat

No it's not , it's stating biological fact. That person is male and always will be, even if they identify as a woman. That's the word for a person with XY chromosomes and male biology in case you forgot.

The concept of transgender athletes is a complicated one -

No it isn't. Men saying they are women and beating women in sport.

It's soooo not complicated.

I suspect the TW competitors are also outliers in the sense that the average man can't beat the best woman in the world.

Mediocre men can beat elite women in lots of sports

For example, the current male U15 record in the 100m is 10.93 seconds, and for U13 it's 11.86 seconds. The qualifying time for the US Olympic team trials in 2016 was 11.32 seconds.

Can you not see that this means that even undeveloped teenage boys can run faster than mature women?

The qualifying time for the US women's* team trials was 11.32 seconds, that should have said

There is nothing complicated about men cheating.

It's all about equailty if a women won the mens there would be no outrage .You can't pick and choose

Oh dear.

There are so many transgender people coming out maybe it is time to have special races ect for them it would be fairer than having a big physical advantage

To be honest, this is one even I have an issue with,

Men and women compete seperately for a very good reason. Men often have a biological advantage. Stronger, bigger, their bodies often physically capable of more.

As much as I support trans rights, I really cannot see what this person feels they have won. They have competed against people born biologically female and beat them. So what? They have a biological advantage. You can even see it in the picture. Bigger. Stronger. More physically able.

They did not compete against people born biologically male and beat them.

It was not an even playing field.

As much as I support trans rights, I cannot see what victory Rachel feels she has gained here. She competed where she had a biological advantage and won. Where is the victory in that?

I do think in sports it should be biological sex competing against each other. Not the gender you identify with. It is simply not fair when it's trans women competing against biological women.

It's all about equailty if a women won the mens there would be no outrage .You can't pick and choose

What do you mean? It's not 'equality' if some males can enter the women's races and others can't. People need to compete against the same sex.

How would the world champion in the 35-39 age category, have felt about a 25 year old entering that race because they felt older?

This just shows how nonsensical this actually is. I hope that in 20 years time we'll laugh about how utterly ridiculous this was. But that's 20 years of lost opportunity for biological girls.

Are we enjoying our erasure yet?

Give it a few years and there’s won’t be a single female competitor winning in any women’s sporting competition.

Not had time to rtft as not feeling well but can I ask - has the winner undergone surgery and all the hormone therapy etc or just self i.d. as a woman?

Yes, it's self Id. I'm sure they had hormones to lower their testosterone levels, however as a trans woman their levels can be higher than the women they compete against.

It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world ( The Kinks)

I am utterly confused.

It really really doesn't matter. Keep encouraging girls to do sport! The reasons for girls to do sport was never so they could win olympic gold. It was for their health and their enjoyment.

I'm still struggling to get over this attitude. In 2018.

Of course women should do sport, encourage them to get out and do spot of exercise, why not?

Nice bit of fresh air. Bloody good for them, I say. Make sure they come in sharpish to do the match teas though, for when the men come back from doing the really important stuff of competing.

Their testosterone levels have to be lower than a mans.

I'm not making this up.

Give it a few years and there’s won’t be a single female competitor winning in any women’s sporting competition

Agree. My hope would be trans people chose to compete against their same biological gender as it doesn't happen. If they chose not to, then yes winning at sporting events will no longer be an option for biologically born women.

Bluntness I don't think anyone posting here would deny trans rights - the right to safety, respect, dignity and the freedom to live as they wish. These are basic human rights and they should be upheld.

The 'rights' that we're contesting are the rights of natal males to avail themselves of the privileges extended to women by virtue of their sex. This sports story is just one example. I'm glad you see the absurdity of it.