To say it's NOT pronounced like this?

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Cutlery.

Cut-le-ree
Not cuttle-ree

Sets my teeth on edge. What pronunciations annoy you?

If any of my DC's came home and told me they were being taught jai instead of jay

DD’s P4 teacher did. I have so many things to talk to the heedie about, I let that one go. DD never said it.

I’ve heard Jamp too. Hate it!

buscaution your inability to understand doesn’t make it wrong, it makes you wrong.

I see I hit a nerve there. Your posts have come across in a very snobbish way. Therefore I said what I said.

Interesting how you bristled though isn’t it? Too close to home?

The letter is JAY.

Nope, that's a word.

The letter is 'J'. How you pronounce it depends on where you come from.

Dear god. Non rhotic speakers often use an r after a vowel to (try to) denote it as a long vowel “phonetically”. Absolutely no “rrrrr” sound implied - because we neither hear nor pronounce the “r” in a word like morning, harbour etc. I know that’s mind boggling for those of you who do

And for my fellow non rhotics: please try to understand the very, very simple fact that to a Scot, for instance, the “r” in e.g. morning is loud and clear. Born doesn’t rhyme with faun in those accents.

• Non rhotic speakers often use an r after a vowel to (try to) denote it as a long vowel “phonetically”. Absolutely no “rrrrr” sound implied - because we neither hear nor pronounce the “r” in a word like morning, harbour etc. I know that’s mind boggling for those of you who do grin

And for my fellow non rhotics: please try to understand the very, very simple fact that to a Scot, for instance, the “r” in e.g. morning is loud and clear. Born doesn’t rhyme with faun in those accents.*

That's a good explanation.

How you pronounce it depends on where you come from

Absolutely. And while we’re on about apparently being unable to change the pronunciation of letters, I think you’ll find ch in Scotland sounds very different.

Auction &Awsome are the same sound.

That sounds the same to me too but "or" and "awe" sound completely different.

I'm sitting here try to say them in an English accent (not sure where my English accent is from 😂) I could see how they sound the same. Like "ordinary" and "awesome" . Am I on to something or completely wrong?

I could see how they sound the same. Like "ordinary" and "awesome"

Then it would be awdinary and awesome, which is perfectly understandable.

Does that mean that the word 'ordained' becomes 'awdained', and 'order' become 'aw-da' ?

Actually, the speaker in the House of Commons does say 'Aw-da'!

I reckon in the Scottish parliament, the speaker says Orrr-derrr.

Absolutely. And while we’re on about apparently being unable to change the pronunciation of letters, I think you’ll find ch in Scotland sounds very different.

Dinnae start with that one - my brothers all take the piss cause I can't say loch right except when I say the name of my hometown which has loch in it

whiskeysourpuss it’s in my last name so a particular bugbear of mine

Maybe it’s because it’s been drummed into me for so many years it’s just habit now

Ve as of. It sets me teeth on edge and all my family do it!

I think the ‘r’ thing is a misunderstanding between Scots and Engs (as I like to call them).

If I see ‘orkshin’ I immediately read it with an r. Hard hard r. It wasn’t til I studied to be a teacher that I learnt that for English speakers would pronounce that like (for Scots) ‘ockshin’ and that they have an extra sound or two we don’t have.

It’s a genuine misunderstanding so not sure why the Engs are getting snotty and acting like Scottish people are being deliberately obtuse. I really don’t spend that much of my life thinking about English accents, delightful as you all are.

So bumble how do you pronounce it? They’re both prounounced ‘schwa + v’ aren’t they?

buscaution your inability to understand doesn’t make it wrong, it makes you wrong.

There is nothing to understand. The Alphabet doesn't have various pronunciations:

see I hit a nerve there. Your posts have come across in a very snobbish way. Therefore I said what I said.

Not sure why. One thing I am not is a snob.

Interesting how you bristled though isn’t it? Too close to home?

What do you mean too close to home? I don't understand that? Is it supposed to be a dig at me personally? If so explain it please, it's lost on me.

Nope, that's a word.

Indeed it is. But for the purposes of explaining how we pronounce things, the ENTIRE thread through, words and phonetics have been used. So don't pick me up for something that has literally happened a hundred times over already:

The letter is 'J'. How you pronounce it depends on where you come from.

It does not. The letter is J. The sound is JAY.

The sound is JAY.

Again, for the part of the English speaking world you come from, it is.

For some of us - it is not.

Again, for the part of the English speaking world you come from, it is.

For some of us - it is not.

Again, the alphabet does not have regional variations.

So or and awe are the same for Englishlanders?

My last name starts with Or and it’s a definite R sound (roll that
R baby!) would English people say it as Awe/Au? Or would they make an effort to use the R sound as it’s a name? I need to know if I should correct people or let it go.

There is nothing to understand

Apparently not for you, no.

One thing I am not is a snob

If ye say so. Your posts say different.

Your just making yourself look a bit silly now tbh

One thing I am not is a snob

ye say so. Your posts say different.

Not intended.

Your just making yourself look a bit silly now tbh

Ok.

Again, the alphabet does not have regional variations.

I think this thread proves that it might... at least in the case of J

Much as I hate to hear the letter "J" described as "J-eye" which grates on my ear like chalk scraping on a blackboard and refused ever to let ds say J-eye, I'm not going to be arrogant enough to say it is "wrong".

There are areas where J-eye is taught/said. It is no more wrong than saying "Z" has to be pronounced "Zed". The Americans would dispute that.

English is a living language and has variations.

Another example of different pronunciations is that to a Scot (or maybe I should say "most Scots" ), the supposed tongue twister "which witch is which?" doesn't make sense as "which" and "witch" are obviously pronounced differently, as Scots automatically aspirate the "wh".

The American people say Zee instead of Z and I expect they believe that to be correct. In fact, a lot of American English spellings are closer to original English than current English.

buscaution, why are others wrong and you're right?

*Zee instead of Zed

"Again, the alphabet does not have regional variations."

Again... says who? Please direct us to the stone tablet that has "THE LETTER J IS PRONOUNCED "JAY" engraved on it?