to stop shopping at M and S for selling hijabs for young girls

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So M and S have started to sell hijabs as part of their school uniform range...aimed at primary school children. One reviewer helpfully suggests getting the small one for a 4 year old.

I have been shopping at Marks all my adult life and have remained a faithful customer despite some dodgy clothes of late and the uninspirational Sparks card, but I think this is going to be the last straw for me.

OK, well assuming people mean this to be a bad thing
most people would think having your head chopped off comes under that category.

The discussion is about what young girls might wear to school

Not what adult women maybe choosing to wear

Where have I said that Talking?

And the racist comment was due to the post saying Muslim women have to 'pluck' their hairs (wrong). And that only Muslim women have to remove hair (also wrong).

I think people who peddle this shit are racist. You may disagree.

And the poster who said Muslim women wearing the burqa (which is very rare in the UK) are always following men dressed in Western clothes. More stupid racist generalisations. It's pathetic.

Get a life OP.

When I was a kid in the 80's I went to a home counties school which had a couple of families who were Seventh Day Adventists. Little girls from starting school age all wearing a scarf on their head. No one blinked an eye or handwrung about whether we were still in the UK.

But they were white christian children in headscarves so I guess that's what makes the difference.

Perhaps you can hop over to the Vatican and have a go at the Pope for allowing nuns to wear what to me looks like a HIJAB.

Yes maybe I went off tangent a bit but it was more to do with all the racist generalisations I see on threads like this one.

And yes Dawn I was being a bit sarcastic.

Oh I blink an eye

Just as I blinked st the Christian cut I grew up in insisting women Must not wear trousers or short skirts or low tops or culottes.

I do believe if there is a god he has more to care about than whether you can see my hair or my knees and any imposed clothing code is more to do about control than anything else.

And don't start me on Christian pprrssion of women's sexuality i.e. Nuns

MoaningSickness
This here

I see a very little girl going to school in a hijab, long sleeves and thick tights on the hottest summer days. I'm sad that she is constrained like this. That she can't run about so easily. That she won't get adequate vitamin D from the sun. That she's being socialised from an early age to feel that immodesty or freedom of dress in even little girls is a problem. This is a horrible new cultural norm and I'm saddened to see its proliferation supported by M&S.

Why do women/girls have to cover their heads for modesty reasons and not men?

Rebecca36 yes a Chassidic Jewish woman may well wear a wig/a hat/a headscarf but a prepubescent Chassidic Jewish girl wouldn’t wear these things. Jewish women cover their hair after they marry not before. Jewish girls don’t get to wear these things to be like mummy.

Yes there are racist generalizations

The Catholic Church is very misogynistic headed by men that are happy to keep it that way it’s certainly not a religion that sees men and women as equal

Perhaps you can hop over to the Vatican and have a go at the Pope for allowing nuns to wear what to me looks like a HIJAB.
Nuns are a religious order, not representative of what female catholics wear. It isn’t a comparison.

@Poisondartfrog but Hasidic Jewish boys do wear the kippa, no?

Are they considered spoiled for potential future wives if they dont?

I think people would be similarly alarmed if M&S started selling say a nun's habit for children to wear to school would they not?

And the poster who said Muslim women wearing the burqa (which is very rare in the UK) are always following men dressed in Western clothes.
No i didn’t say that, i said “often accompanied”, and it isn’t “racist generalisation” at all. In our hometown (a seaside resort) we see it every single day in the season). Its an observation in how women are treated as subservient. What in hell do you find racist in that, and which race are you referring to?Change the bloody record. It isn’t “racist”, and it’s pathetic and tiresome to say so.

Yes religious Jewish boys wear kippa but as PP have said it’s for an entirely different reason than for Jewish and Muslim women covering their heads . Same as Sikh boys wearing a head covering over their topknot. Totally different to prepubescent Muslim girls wearing hijab.

Don’t nuns make a choice to be nuns as an adult.

As a catholic child you wouldn’t go around in a nuns habit. Nor would you as an adult.

Even nuns don’t go in for the complete coverage anymore.

I think unless they belong to a closed order most don’t wear any head covering any more.

Can’t understand why you would compare a nun with a Muslim woman

Putting hijabs on the same spectrum as FGM is as unreasonable as putting wolf whistles on the same spectrum as rape.

Why do feminists on Mumsnet have to be so bossy? I've been calling myself a feminist since before most of them were even born, but I have reservations about the Me Too and We believe you movements. Who are they to tell me how I have to think to call myself a feminist?

I personally would prefer little girls not to wear a hijab because it looks uncomfortable and must make it difficult to climb trees and hang upside down on monkey bars.

But if wearing a hijab makes it possible for them to go to school and join the Brownies, that's much more important than banning them because of a Western idea of what a hijab means in terms of misogyny and the patriarchy. Far better that they should have the opportunity to integrate and play a full part in the society they live in than be isolated in monocultural ghetto.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I’ve yet to see a burqa being worn in the UK.

These threads really highlight how many anti Muslim posters there are on this forum. Still, I’m pleasantly surprised at the more positive and neutral responses there are this time. Notice how quickly people stop debating their thoughts on M&S selling the hijab to just getting stuck in and giving Islam a good kicking.

The little girls in my daughters class, have wore hijabs since the start of year two.

The veil has a long history, well before Islam and Christianity. It was all about the subjugation of women, signifying ownership/status. Prostitutes didn’t wear them and were shamed. These were part of the culture these religions sprang from, which is why Mary is depicted wearing a head scarf. Athenian women were similar, despite being the birth place of democracy.

I do find it odd that hair is considered sexual. More so when accompanied by make up and tight jeans. In fact I may have been glad of being able to cover up my many bad hair days as a teen. I read it is a man’s beard which should be covered as that is the equivalent.