to stop shopping at M and S for selling hijabs for young girls

[worstmotherintheworld]

So M and S have started to sell hijabs as part of their school uniform range...aimed at primary school children. One reviewer helpfully suggests getting the small one for a 4 year old.

I have been shopping at Marks all my adult life and have remained a faithful customer despite some dodgy clothes of late and the uninspirational Sparks card, but I think this is going to be the last straw for me.

There’s definitely a huge increase in girls wearing the hijab, i think it’s more to do with making a statement than anything else.

Yes, how dare Muslim women assert themselves. Don't they know they have to be down-trodden and voiceless so we can pity them and feel thankful for our mini skirts and boob tubes?

Havelock

There is a demand for them and great they are available.
I'm sure many people don't like what you wear or believe what you do.

Muslim men don't have to pluck all their body hair or cover their hair though, do they? confused

I suspect you're confused in many ways so the emoji is apt.

Neither men or women have to 'pluck' any hair.

But both men and women are required to remove pubic and underarm hair.

Most muslim men i see wear western style clothes, often accompanied by their wife wearing the full burka.

Are you living in Saudi Arabia? The number of woen who wear is estimated at 0.002%, probably around 200 women in the whole of the UK. You've been so lucky to spot so many of these endangered species.

The same old shit. Peddled every day. By the same racists I bet.

Don't they know they have to be down-trodden and voiceless so we can pity them and feel thankful for our mini skirts and boob tubes?

yeah because that's what everyone else wears, and their kids

"Most muslim men i see wear western style clothes, often accompanied by their wife wearing the full burka."

I have heard this many many times but my experience is exactly the opposite. I lived in Sparkbrook in Birmingham for decades which is predominantly Muslim and nearly every time I saw a woman in a burkha if she was with a man, he was nearly always in long robes (such as shalwar kumese) and long beard.

A young girl has absolutely no need to dress to be modest

That is for a woman to decide if she feels the need to be

This isn’t progression for girls and women it’s a backward step

yeah because that's what everyone else wears, and their kids

Yes because every Muslim woman wears the hijab to to deter rapists, and makes her child do the same.

See how generalisations are stupid?

Havaina how the hell are they asserting themselves covering themselves up? Are you serious?? You actually don’t even consider that muslim women in countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia have no fucking choice. They’d love to “assert” themselves, by being able to wear comfortable clothes of their choice, and yes, maybe a mini skirt, but guess what? they aren’t allowed to “assert” themselves, they have to do what the men tell them. But carry on being disillusioned. I’m amazed that anyone things wearing the hijab or the burka is being “assertive”.

I stand with these Muslim women who are very disturbed by the rise in numbers of hijab wearing girls in primary schools:

www.sedaa.org/2017/09/open-letter-hijab-in-the-classroom/

I guess some people on this thread would say they’re Islamophobic too. Or “coconuts”. Muslim feminists I’ve spoken to/follow on social media say they commonly get called that. And they specifically ask non-Muslim women to amplify their voices because they are a minority within a minority and it is doubly hard going for them.

All the virtue signallers thinking how woke you are because you’re “tolerant” of misogyny and sexism when they’re coming from minority groups, just remember you’re abandoning the women and girls from those groups who do feel oppressed, however much those who claim wearing the hijab is a feminist act might make out such women don’t exist.

Hang on, let's unclutch our pearls a little - this hijab is available in sizes S, M and L. It isn't aimed at any particular age group. One reviewer claims the sizes run small and would be suitable for younger children. That's all. Talk about getting your knickers in a twist.

Agree. Lots of woke virtual signalling going on.

Havaina Fuck off with your racist accusations, which “race” are you talking about? I see loads of muslim men in western clothes in my home town, accompanied by women’s in burkas, it depends where you live. How the fuck can it be racist to point this out.

Hijabs are unnecessary for little girls. There is no reason to wear one below the age of puberty. They shouldn’t be encouraged to wear one and to say it’s because they want to look like mummy isn’t a reasonable argument imo. They aren’t fashion accessories and shouldn’t be worn unless a child is of an age where they can properly understand their significance and make an informed decision about whether to wear one or not. Most little girls want to look like mummy but that doesn’t mean it’s ok or appropriate for them to do so.

Dawnmist - you're not worth a minute of my time. You didn't even understand my post about Muslim women asserting themselves yet you're telling me to fuck off? Whatever. Go back to the Daily Mail.

Ah, 'woke' a nice new buzz word for the racists. 'Lefty loonies' must have got boring. Bless.

I'm with you op.

A prepubescent child anyone should not need to express modesty.

I can almost support and adult woman saying they choose to wear anything but not inflicting it whether a hijab or a thong bikini on a small child.

Being on sale in a range of sizes doesn't guarantee that all sizes will sell well. It'll be mums doing the buying, after all.

Nothing new about this, I remember reading about them and seeing adverts a couple of years back.

What's so wrong? If you were a Chassidic Jew you'd be wearing a wig and a hat and your husband would wear a hat, sidelocks and beard and a long frock coat.

I am pleased I live in a relatively tolerant, multicultural country. Vive la difference.

Havaina

Who are they ‘asserting themselves’ against? Men of their culture or Westerners? And why do they need to assert themselves? What point are they making?

Havaina I understood perfectly what you were saying. You obviously don’t understand what being “assertive” is. Save your outrage for the men who want to keep women subservient.

Dottysheep - the 'asserting' comment was in a response to a specific post, quoted in my post. I'm too tired to do a summary now, it's bedtime :)

So, Havaina, are you saying you refuse to engage with the fact that there are Muslim women campaigning against primary school aged girls wearing the hijab, and asking non-Muslim women for their support on the issue?

You’re just going to call anyone who points out that inconvenient fact a racist, and hope that shuts down the debate?

Dawnmist - go back and re-read. You haven't understood. Yawn. Bedtime.

Seriously can we just stop telling other women what to fucking wear!

The amount of people who say 'yh but if you were in their country you'd have to do what they say or they'll chop your head off.'
🙄
OK, well assuming people mean this to be a bad thing then why are we trying to make the UK a place where we get to dictate to people what clothing is appropriate?
Double standards.

And yes, I'm aware that no one has actually said that on this thread, (that I've seen, I've not read every single comment shoot me now) but it's the general attitude and I'm betting quite a few on this thread have said similar in a little discussion with their mates down the pub.