Transphobia

[SardiH]

I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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Why would you 'take a punt' when you haven't seen it JAPAB and women are telling you that is what they experience? Why does your guesswork trump their reality? Are you always so arrogant?

And the perception that triggered some of some of the abuse I linked was that lesbians won't sleep with them.

I'll take a punt that 99% of the time there will be some context going on where the women in question will have been, or perceived to have been transphobic or anti-trans in some way.

Always the woman's fault, eh?
"She provoked him"
"Why was she out alone at night?"
"That skirt was really short"
"Asking for it"

Do you think there is ANY context where 'choke on my dick' is an appropriate response JAPAB?

No, and nor do I condone the people who make death threats against those who oppose same-sex marriage, or anyother form of extreme response, no matter how righteous the people doing this feel.

Here's an analogy:

A thread stating people on mumsnet are racist/xenophobic.
People respond in numbers that the strain on public health services caused by mass immigration is unsustainable and that discussing those issues doesn't make them racist.

A - those are fair concerns, in which case why are these people protesting so much on a thread about racism where the OP mentioned nothing about strained public services?
B - maybe it's something to do with the fact that many, many people do use such legitimate concerns as a front for outright racism

You think 'choke on my dick' is just an extreme response to a difference of opinion? It is said to lesbians who assert their boundaries. You compare women's consent to a political argument? How dare you?

Op/sardi - are you trans?

Hey JAPAB, have you checked your messages?

I bet there are tons of them from OP and her legions of supporters, all saying nice things!

I'm done here JAPAB. Everyone here can see what you're doing.

Yes, I am arguing that it is a form of transphobia to portray a group as if they are just running around silencing and attacking any random women they come across. When in fact it is the specific women who hold objected-to positions that get this.

Just as I would classify it as homophonic to portray homosexuals as if they are just attacking heterosexuals per se. Giving specific examples of something said to a "terf" or a "homophobe" does not alter this.

When in fact it is the specific women who hold objected-to positions that get this

Are you reading my posts?

Ignore JAPAB, he's a MRA and an apologist and only ever seems to post o the threads about women's right, usually popping on to say that it's all good for women so STFU.

You think women who question things need to be silenced?

And you think it's exactly the same as homophobia?

Why?

I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Well said indeed. And good on you for not coming back to read some of these comments. Our mental health is important and I, too, am disgusted by the prevailing transphobia and reading too much of it does get to me.

As a woman, a feminist and as a mother I can only say this transphobia is not done in my name. In my opinion Mumsnet HQ also have a case to answer how they let their platform be misused for transphobia. They will look back in 5 years and be ashamed - no doubt.

I - like the OP - will also not be back.

I - like the OP - will also not be back

You mean the OP who came back? Someone’s not RTFT!

If anyone sees transphobic posts they must report them to MNHQ

Some of the responses to the Karen White case really shows that people will call anyone speaking up for women 'transphobic'.

But that, as a generalisation, trans are not silencing and abusing women per se. I can understand the rhetorical advantages in portraying the situation like this of course.

See, you know this isn't true. Because you've been told, many times.

The government is currently consulting on reforms to the gender recognition act. It is expecting women to canvas opinion and to meet to discuss the reforms.

Nonetheless, at least 15 meetings of women to do just that, have been targeted and shutdown. A bomb threat was sent and deemed credible by the police. A man has been convicted of battery of one such woman (a pensioner) for daring to convene to talk about the reforms.

Three people have been subjected to police intervention. Which were deemed unfounded. Now they are being subjected to private prosecution by transactivists to shut them up. Despite the CPS saying there is no case to answer.

Police were called to the Labour Party conference (including a mounted officer 🤣) because women were handing out leaflets about not sending rapists to women's prisons. Leaflets.

So you can piss off with the implication that none of this is true. Which I know you absolutely don't believe.

But for anyone else, don't take my word for it.

"James Kirkup concludes:
"All raise serious issues of public policy, yet politicians are silent, fearful of questioning the trans-rights advocates and the consequences of their orthodoxy. Sometimes with good reason, too. Those MPs, mostly women, who have tried to debate this issue have been showered with online hatred. I’ve stopped counting the politicians, cabinet ministers among them, who tell me privately they worry about the trans agenda but won’t say so publicly

That silence troubles me. I am no social conservative, no culture warrior defending ‘traditional’ values. My interest here is fear of political failure, of what happens when sensible politicians fail to do their job by weighing evidence and reconciling conflicting interests. The failure leaves the trans debate dominated by shrill and aggressive groups intent on eliminating inconvenient evidence and dissenting views."

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/trans-rights-have-gone-wrong/

The vast majority of people here have no issue with genuinely trans people. The concern on the feminist boards is with the exploitation of gender recognition processes to gain access to women's spaces and carry out violence against women. Disagreeing with trans policies doesn't make someone transphobic.

Hang on, so it is transphobic to say that many transpeople appear to be misogynistic, With your excuse being that they only attack women they disagree with? But the reason they disagree with the women is essentially a result of the woman being a woman and expressing her feelings as a women

Totally agree with you @SardiH Avoid the feminism board entirely now.

It seems to me that a lot of people avoid the feminism boards because they’re not able to argue their position when they disagree with someone.

In some ways that’s a shame, but mostly I feel it’s good, because threads don’t get derailed by people posting the same old guff about feminists being afraid of TRAs people, and it leaves everyone else to get on with discussing the things that really matter.

• trans people

Interesting autocorrect though.

Much to my surprise, I find myself in complete agreement with the OP on one point:

The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry.

It’s quite clear that Sardi doesn’t see their own misogynist bigotry at all. Sardi even lists misogyny as one of the nasties to be avoided!! 😂

They really don’t have a clue what an incorrigible bigot they are.

Jesus fucking H Christ. If only people gave as much of a shit about the mysogeny and sexism in the world as they do about the poor delicate men who believe they are women/trees/fridges/whatfuckingever.

Datun, nowhere have I implied that "transphobes" are not being silenced.
Nowhere have I implied that "transphobes" are not being reported and investigated.
Nowhere have I implied that meetings are not being shut down if a certain element believes that "transphobic" views will be expressed in them, and so the whole meeting becomes a perceived threat to trans rights/equality.

Yes, I am arguing that it is a form of transphobia to portray a group as if they are just running around silencing and attacking any random women they come across.

Nowhere have I implied that meetings are not being shut down if a certain element believes that "transphobic" views will be expressed in them, and so the whole meeting becomes a perceived threat to trans rights/equality.

This is a very circular argument:

• Its transphobic to portray that women are being silenced.
• It OK to silence those who are believed to be transphobic (or at a meeting where such a person may be present).
• Ergo anyone who has been silenced or complains about others being silenced is a transphobe.