Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

Transphobia

359 replies

SardiH · 11/10/2018 19:16

I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

Love
X

OP posts:
JAPAB · 13/10/2018 17:24

Transactivists are attacking women per se. They are actively working to silence women. This is a misogynistic act.

Yes, and homosexuals were attacking heterosexuals per se. Even the heterosexual who said "I fully support same-sex marriage andoption" in a tweet needed only to count to ten before the abuse and vitriol from HRAs would commence.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:28

LOL. See how your silly analogy falls apart?

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:29

Because I can tell you that TRAs absolutely are attacking women everywhere you go online. It's not unusual. It's the norm. As it is for other misogynistic men to join them.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:32

Choke on my dick, TRF

Reasonable protest by a marginalised group fighting for their rights, or misogynistic sexually violent threat? You decide.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:33

As is the homophobia inherent in trans ideology. That's another way your silly analogy doesn't work.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:34

"Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

PipGoesPop · 13/10/2018 17:35

Try some independent thinking

HTH

TwistedStitch · 13/10/2018 17:35

mobile.twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1050858650640748544

Read the examples of TRA abuse given to women under this tweet JAPAB. And no, they aren't photoshopped like a man tried to suggest.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:36

How about this JAPAB? Two TRAs:

"I'd like to watch someone violently tip her ovaries from her."

"No, no disembowelling, I'd just punch her until all the eggs burst."

JacquesHammer · 13/10/2018 17:41

Very much regarding an issue pertinent to me, OP.

I play and coach rugby.

Are you saying it’s transphobic for me to state I don’t want to play rugby against a man?

Absolutely report any transphobia, but please have the wit to understand the difference between concern and “phobia”.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 17:41

And no, they aren't photoshopped like a man tried to suggest.

That man can fuck the fuck off. As can anyone else who thinks there isn't a problem here.

FissionChips · 13/10/2018 17:44

Those tweets are frightening Shock.

Tunnockssnowballs · 13/10/2018 17:58

Bring transphobic is a disgusting hate crime and should not be tolerated.

Being gender critical and concerned about the GRA is a completely different thing. Many trans people do not want the GRA to go ahead because they will loose vital heath services x

JAPAB · 13/10/2018 18:07

LOL. See how your silly analogy falls apart?

No, please enlighten me.

Choke on my dick, TRF

What is a TRF? Sorry, google doesn't help.

Read the examples of TRA abuse given to women under this tweet JAPAB. And no, they aren't photoshopped like a man tried to suggest.

Unfortunately I cannot read that page. But what is the context? Are the women in question just sitting around talking about the weather when a group of TRAs waded in and start attacking them just because they are women? Or is there an "anti trans" context going on here?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 13/10/2018 18:09

What do you call antitrans?

Highlighting issues with the GRA, self ID that kind of thing?

JacquesHammer · 13/10/2018 18:11

Are the women in question just sitting around talking about the weather when a group of TRAs waded in and start attacking them just because they are women? Or is there an "anti trans" context going on here?

I’ve mentioned this on other threads, but I was part of a Twitter discussion surrounding miscarriage.

A particularly edifying individual started sending aggressive tweets suggesting we were privileged to have had m/c, and to pipe down talking about something that excludes women with penises.

So that was nice.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 18:12

I'm done here JAPAB. Everyone here can see what you're doing. I have a night out to get ready for.

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 18:12

And don't send me any more fucking PMs.

TwistedStitch · 13/10/2018 18:14

Do you think there is ANY context where 'choke on my dick' is an appropriate response JAPAB? And actually many of them aren't targeted even at individual women, but women in general who they perceive to behave wrongly such as lesbians who won't accept males as sexual partners.

lexi727 · 13/10/2018 18:15

Completely agree with you. Nice to see somebody on mumsnet that's not transphobic.

MIdgebabe · 13/10/2018 18:16

. It is not transphobic to consider trans people as a group. To be transphobic you have to have some element of unwarranted negative discrimination.

It may be transphobic to identify into the group when you are not , as you are then causing harm to those who do have gender dysmorphia by changing the average behaviour of the group to a much more misogynistic behaviour,which makes the case for reasonable protections for women to exclude those with gender dysmorphia in more situations than is currently allowed.

JAPAB · 13/10/2018 18:17

Because I can tell you that TRAs absolutely are attacking women everywhere you go online. It's not unusual.

I'll take a punt that 99% of the time there will be some context going on where the women in question will have been, or perceived to have been transphobic or anti-trans in some way.

My point is not that such women don't get attacked - they do. But that, as a generalisation, trans are not silencing and abusing women per se. I can understand the rhetorical advantages in portraying the situation like this of course.

TwistedStitch · 13/10/2018 18:17

Not returned to your own thread to apologise for your spiteful disablism then Lexi?

JacquesHammer · 13/10/2018 18:19

I'll take a punt that 99% of the time there will be some context going on where the women in question will have been, or perceived to have been transphobic or anti-trans in some way

Apparently having a uterus could be perceived as anti-trans?

LividAtDolphins · 13/10/2018 18:20

Being gender critical and concerned about the GRA is a completely different thing

This is true. But some people (including some people on mumsnet) who are gender critical and concerned about issues of female safety use that as a thin veil for prejudice and bigotry. That's probably why so many people are posting about the former in a thread about the latter.