Transphobia

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I am absolutely disgusted by the vile bigotry and absolutely hatred shown by some people on here. I realise those people peddling this feel justified in doing so. The truth is the bigoted never see their form of bigotry as bigotry. Racists doing think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists. Homophobic people the same. Sexist people the same. Mysogynistic the same. Xenophobic the same. And transphobic = yes indeed, exactly the same. It's very sad. It's sad for the people who hold such hatred in their hearts. It's sad for the transgender community who have to live with the consequences of such bigotry and ignorance and haterd and opposition to just fulfilling their destiny as they feel it.

I just hope enough good people stand up with the trans community against this hatred and bigotry and that we move towards a better and kinder and more understanding world for transpeople. We have made great progress with this over recent years despite the best efforts of some.

I hope those with hate in their hearts can heal in time and become kinder and more understanding. My wise old grandma used to say those who bear hatred of others can never be truly happy.

I know the backlash to this post will be vile from some. I won't be reading the replies. I have no need to.

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How about trans bigotry against women? Is that ok?

How about trans bigotry against women? Is that ok?

That's fine.

YADBU - report any transphobia, MNHQ will delete it. Speaking the truth, scientific facts, and dictionary definitions are not transphobia. But trying to shut down debate and keep women from talking is misogyny.

How about trans bigotry against women? Is that ok?

That reminds me of another form of transphobia that is common here, but which may be of the more subtle and easy-to-muss form.

The common portraying of trans people (or the activists at least) as if they are meant to be attacking women per se.

It is like talking about 'homosexual bigotry towards or attacking of heterosexuals', when of course it is not "heterosexuals" that they have the problem with. It is the specific heterosexuals who are critical of them, argue aginst them and their equality and rights, who some homosexuals mght not have much love for.

Conflating genuine concerns over males in female spaces with transgenderism as a whole is at best a massive oversimplification. And more likely it's just people being deliberately disingenuous. The two aren't mutually exclusive either, which is the point the OP is getting at.

To those saying in regards to transwomen being in women's prisons, and "the exception, not the rule" to attacks on women - it's NOT WHOLLY ABOUT THAT, fgs.

"My concern about the current approach is that it is appears to privilege the subjective feelings of particular, largely male, prisoners, at the expense of the needs of those prisoners, largely women, who have to live with the decisions imposed upon them. Highly vulnerable, often traumatised, prisoners are the rule, not the exception, in women's prisons. Many have faced male sexual violence and exploitation

Consider what it must be like for women who have experienced male violence to have males imprisoned alongside them.

" - Richard Garside, Director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies

This is why the transwomen's "human rights" should not trump the rights of the women who have no choice.

Self-confessed and convicted rapists and paedophiles are being sent to female prisons and subsequently being convicted of sexual assaulting the women in those prisons, as a result of transgenderism.

It's got little or nothing to do with men with gender dysphoria.

This is about women and female rights to privacy and to not be raped when they're in prison, in 2018. Ffs.

One of the women that this man was convicted of raping has tried to kill herself.

Wake up.

If the trans community as a community wants to make demands of others than I will use the average behaviour of that same community as a reason for my words and positions.

The problem is it's not really the trans-community who are making these demands. Its the transactivist community. Made up of misogynist men who thoroughly enjoy their penises.

Gender dysphoria is incredibly rare.

Men who exploit men with gender dysphoria are two a penny. Promoting the idea of lady brains and a subjective, and unverifiable 'identity' that gives them access to vulnerable women everywhere.

Campaigning to place intact males in women's prisons in the name of inclusivity is the erosion of women's rights. All women. Not just a small subset some men want to write off as "transphobic", but all women.

Allowing male bodied people to play women's sports is the destruction of women's sports. Not just some strange, imaginary subset of women's sport only played by gender critical feminists, but all women's sport.

It is nothing like the fight for gay rights. Gay rights took nothing away from anyone else. In fact, many gender critical feminists are themselves gay. It is much more akin to colonialism, where a group of people with power take stuff away from a group of people with less power.

Finally getting women's rugby on TV, for instance? You don't even have to put transwomen in at the highest level to screw with that. You can fuck it over at a much lower levelby putting the odd 15 stone, 6'3" male in the scrum at amateur level. Most women, rightly fearing severe spinal injury, will want to play against him. Teams collapse, the league collapses, no players being fed into the highest levels any more.

Got more women doing sport in local based fitness clubs? (The drop-off in women's participation in sport after school is a big public health issue). Great. Most sports clubs have open plan, single sex changing rooms. Let's make 'em single gender. Women don't want to go any more? Oh what a shame, they're just bigots, don't deserve to play sport anyway.

Word gets out that the local GPs' surgery has a transwoman doing the smear tests. Watch the take up on tests plummet. But who cares. The women not showing up are probably bigots anyway.

Welcome to the brave new world of self ID.

But it's all okay because JPAB (who is a man, by the way) says it's only the bigotted women who'll be affected.

The important thing is how you phrase and advance your argument without giving the impression of opposition to the trans community.

I find it virtually impossible to regards this debate without realising how much of it is actually men silencing women dressed up as progression

I find it virtually impossible to regards this debate without realising how much of it is actually men silencing women dressed up as progression

Exactly. It's an absolute gift to sexiest men everywhere. It's a magnet for misogyny.

Racists dont think they bigoted they think they have a valid point of view - truth is they are vile racists

Do you mean like Transwoman Sophie Cook on Newsnight this week, blabbing on about the word 'Woman' needing to be removed as it's discriminatory towards black women, & transwomen..?

You know, the usual stuff - couldn't give a shit about racism, don't even know or speak to any black women, but feel entitled to speak for us and try to use our experiences to shore up their own cause.

Also think because they're not some racist yob on the streets, they're a more 'genteel' racist...you know, not the 'vile' type. So that's ok then.

Liberals are the absolute worst - never see their own racism or phobia towards others, but virtue signal about race etc any chance they get.

It wouldn't even occur to you that Sophie Cook and her ilk are being racist by 'othering' black women as if we are a subset of women who were never included in womanhood in the first place as opposed to, you know... being a woman like any other, and affected by all issues pertaining to women.

You think you aren't a bigot? You are - as you've done the exact same thing. Why don't you all shut up about race - you aren't out there doing your bit to stand against it.

This whole Trans issue is grounded in white male born privilege. White male born privilege does not experience ongoing, systemic, institutional racism that affects lives and opportunities.

Lily Madigan as Labour Womens' officer said black women are aggressive and intimidatory, then after backlash admitted to not actually knowing any black women, then removed comments. Madigan is another example of male born privilege virtue-signalling "You're all phobic!". Yet not averse to a bit of casual racism themself...and certainly othering black women. Perhaps Madigan is a Women's Officer with a 'oh not black women tho' caveat

We aren't your allies. You are not ours.

I have faith all your nonsense will be blown out of the water when more of the general public become wise to it.

I find it virtually impossible to regards this debate without realising how much of it is actually men silencing women dressed up as progression

If you want to misrepresent it in that way, then the trans debate is no diffgerent than anyother debate of opposing ideologies where you have a minority who - as they see it - fighting for equality.

If you have seen, for example, many many debates on same-sex marriage then you will have seen homosexuals countless times trying to silence heterosexuals.

Except of course it was only the opposing heterosexuals who got silenced, not the allkies. Simialry I suspect the women who are trans allies get little bother.

allkies...or allies, even.

I suspect the women who are trans allies get little bother.

So you are agree it's one sided?

Yes, just as it is "one-sided" that the heterosexuals who opposed gay equlity and rights got silenced and abused, but not the heterosexuals who made no opposition.

Actually i think you'll find there wasn't a wall of silence around gay marriage.

It was talked about a lot, for a long time.

iut was supported by most media too, and there was no rights taken away from any other group was there.

And before that there was civil partnership and big discussion around that. Wasn't there?

The common portraying of trans people (or the activists at least) as if they are meant to be attacking women per se.

Transactivists are attacking women per se. They are actively working to silence women. This is a misogynistic act. They only accept women speaking who are 100% compliant with the transagenda. That's not respectful of women. I've seen women absolutely monstered just for asking innocent questions.

Talking about PMs - Sent any more unsolicited PMs yourself, JAPAB? It's clear you don't have any respect for women's boundaries, even when asked to desist.

But just for you and anyone else who is interested in just what women are being expected to accept into female spaces, here's the Stonewall definition of "transgender". It's quite broad.

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

In fact most causes actually talk to the public and don't remove rights from other groups.

I suspect the women who are trans allies get little bother.

Everything is fine as long as you do what they say. Try stepping out of line.

A movement which only tolerates women if they do what male people say for the benefit of said male people, and against the interests of them, all the women they know and their entire sex class. No, that's totally progressive and inclusive.