To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

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We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

Are you for real? No difference in travel, we are not in Schenghen

But we are in EASA, the European common aviation area and the EU Open Skies agreements.

In case you hadn’t noticed.

EU open skies stops on March 29th.
Well it does for the UK.

I haven't rtft but I have been putting off booking for the same reason was planning 8th April. I think I'm going to book Feb half term instead although the the French are on strike so much not sure there is a safe time!!
I talked to our brexit project manager at work & he said he wasn't sure if he'd book straight after. More than likely it would be fine but essentially nobody knows.
Can you pay on credit card & get protection that way maybe??

I’m a travel professional as well as a staunch remainer who wishes it wasn’t happening. I’m flying to Europe for Easter too. I’m confident that we will still be able to go. It would cost businesses and counties billions if all travel to the EU from the uk stopped. I’m sure they will put in place plans to make sure that doesn’t happen.

amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption

@Freetodowhatiwant
I’m sure they will put in place plans to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Who is "they" ?

Not sure that credit cards won't need renegotiating for a 'no deal' departure.
Countless Billions is what your mate Theresa is gambling with. What is being proposed is rather more than putting on an alternative bus service will cover.

I’m sure they will put in place plans to make sure that doesn’t happen.

Thank goodness the Government fully prepared by advertising for a civil servant to lead the aviation negotiations for the U.K.

In June 2018.

Oh, and “prior knowledge of airspace and the aviation sector is an advantage but not necessary”.

It would cost businesses and counties billions if all travel to the EU from the uk stopped

Yes. But then, Brexit.

I’m sure they will put in place plans to make sure that doesn’t happen

'They'? 'Put in place plans'?

Yes I tend to agree. I'm not sure who 'they' is in retrospect.The government certainly don't seem to have any clout. I'm still booking my flights (insured, on credit cards) and hoping for the best though.

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-flights-29-march-2019-flights-passport-customs-uk-eu-roaming-ehic-a8531866.html

Doesn’t look like any planning has taken place, more of a cross your fingers that it all gets sorted.

I did love to know what information people have who are posting that there won’t be a problem?

@Hoarder Check your t&c before cancelling, before you write off hundreds.

Probably, in the event of no deal, you would at least get your flights refunded, but not hotel, Disneyland etc

If this is the case and also if you don't have to pay the balance for the hotel until after Brexit,
then it's probably worth waiting to decide until then, since you have paid hotel deposit.

If you have to pay it all before Brexit, then it's a gamble:
Very difficult to predict what transport links, if any, would be running.
We'll all have a better idea in January, because if there isn't a signed deal by then, it's almost certainly too late

Noone knows whether:
a) there will be a deal
b) if no deal, then how well emergency measures will work for aviation

Disgraceful negligence by what may be the most incompetent UK govt in history
I'm sorry that you & many others have this worry.

If lots of people hadn't put in lots of work at the telecoms company I worked for (and also in all the other telecom companies) in preparation (lots of legacy systems), then at the Millennium, not only would your phones (both landlines and mobiles) have stopped working, but you wouldn't have been able to get money out of ATMs (they use telecoms lines), find out your balance even in banks (they use telecoms lines), listen to the radio (they use telecoms lines for transmission), use the internet (it uses telecom lines), watch TV (yes, you've guessed it, it uses telecoms lines for transmission).

So yes, just like the Millennium Bug

The reason that Y2k problems didn't happen is that nearly $300 billion was spent around the world
and tens of thousands of people spent years planning / correcting software.

In contrast, this ignorant, arrogant PM has prioritised party unity over country,
so her ignorant, arrogant govt have done absurdly little to prepare for Brexit ... and it's less than 6 months away

(yes, Labour are also ignorant & chaotic, but they are not in power)

Might help the OP......

skift.com/2018/09/13/easyjet-and-ryanair-split-on-likelihood-of-brexit-aviation-deal/

People did travel to europe before the eu.

People did travel to europe before the eu.
Indeed
But not under the current aviation deals
and the UK did not have such a shitty immigration policy (that others will reciprocate)

Yes they did Londonrach. But NOW - On what legal basis does aviation operate in the UK and from the UK to other countries? Once you understand how the current legal framework operates then look at what happens if the UK is no longer a party to the legal framework because the UK is no longer a member state of the EU.

Then I would really appreciate your explanation as to what the legal framework will be if the UK leaves the EU with no deal. Is that the same as before we joined the EU?

And the pre-EU travel arrangements have been repealed and replaced.

There will be a bleary eyed last minute 48 hour straight meeting with a hurrah for everyone at the end.

And then things will go on as usual. But there will be many blips and painful things to happen along the way. However flights may not be one of them. That, imports/exports and medicine supplies are just too critical. Everything else can wait for further information, well that's what I think anyway.

It is brinkmanship. Nothing will change much. And I voted remain.

It's not brinkmanship at all.

The EU hasn't changed its position once. Nor will it because the four freedoms are cornerstones of that organisation and it won't accept anything that threatens them.

This government wants no deal. It will try to blame the EU and claim it was forced into no deal which of course is utter bollocks.

Marvellous.

There will be a bleary eyed last minute 48 hour straight meeting with a hurrah for everyone at the end

That's what I imagine. A fag-stained, wretched, red-eyed, 'that will have to have to fucking do.'

This government wants no deal.

I'm not sure the government does. But year-zero fundamentalists like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Owen Paterson do; so do Atlanticists like disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox. Boris Johnson is a blatant political opportunist and doesn't care how much damage he does as long as it gets him into Downing Street.

Cobblers

I agree. The premise of this bollox is for the UK negotiators to actually blame the EU for having the temerity to challenge the hubris of the UK.

If it wasn't so serious I would laugh.

And the Conference season was a disaster. Labour and Cons should just merge now.

FFS are people still bringing up the millenium bug argument? Shit did happen because of it. Most was averted, but not all. Eg. The NHS had to pay out compensation to women who aborted healthy babies because their risk of Downs was miscalculated because the software couldn't process their dates of birth correctly. Japan had problems with its nuclear power plants. Just because you didn't hear about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.