To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

Great that we can fall back to pre-EU agreements

Er, we can't.

I doubt you will need a visa. We didn't use visas before we joined in the 70s and I don't think we will need them afterwards

That was before we decided to impose expensive visas on EU citizens. Could you explain, @jillb55, exactly why they would decide to suck that up without returning the compliment?

IN THE 70s

nearly 50 years ago. 1971 when the world's first email was sent.

Perhaps the world has changed a little.

Not sure what you are talking about and even less sure why I need to explain anything. I was just offering an opinion. Are you talking about work or travel visas? I have not heard anything about needing a visa for as holiday.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-traveller-charge-single-market-border-control-visa-european-union-a8321891.html

Just seen the special agreement prepared by The Republic of Cyprus and the U.K. which basically reassures the continuation of relations after Brexit. No other EU countries have done this with us afaik.

So, the only place I'll be booking to visit after Brexit would be Cyprus - until the rest, individually or as a group (EU), also give us equal recognition to continue relations.

What Cyprus agreement is this, then?

Haven't seen anything about a separate new treaty?

Cyprus is a former British colony and still has 2 sovereign military bases there.

Need to remember its the UK giving a collective FO to the EU, however, the EU/UK negotiations seem to be conducted with mutual respect of each others position.

Whether it's really worth anything or not, but Cyprus and Malta are part of the Commonwealth, so their UK resident citizens were allowed to vote in the Referendum. The one which could affect their future.

Is it this one? Because it’s a bit out of date...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guarantee_(1960)

@jillb55, it's you who said we wouldn't need visas to go to the EU. Given that EU citizens will need visas to come to the UK, it's reasonable to ask why you're so confident. Simply saying you haven't heard anything to the contrary isn't exactly evidence.

Goodness some of the responses on this thread are hilarious.

Whatever makes people think the EU has a vested interest in helping us come to an agreement? Places in Spanish hotels can easily be filled with German tourists who will be avoiding the UK for the foreseeable future. We will be hurt much more than the EU by the kiss of our right to travel under the current EU aviation licenses.

Flying to Canada etc will still be affected if no agreement in place as airlines will not be allowed to depart or take off. Insurers won't let them. Same goes for ferries, the channel tunnel and cruises. They may lose some UK tourists money but will have a bigger market to tap into with none of the EU or other countries worldwide avoiding UK. We have turned our noses up at free and easy travel by voting Leave so this is what we get. This sadly also affects goods and services coming in and out of the country.

For those saying it will all be fine, the government won't let this happen have you somehow missed the circus going on over the last 18 months? We have not even agreed on the principles or bare bones of us leaving and time is running out. 29 March 2019 is a cliff edge and there will be no transition period. The EU withdrawal agreement needs to be ratified by then. Ideally
the government wanted the deal sorted by this November. The Brexit department in Whitehall is getting bigger and bigger as they are suddenly panicking that nothing is anywhere near sorted. I don't have any faith in them getting agreements in place so a No deal is looking more likely.

The irony of Rees Mogg and other wealthy politicians moving their money overseas while campaigning for us to leave EU just beggars belief. They are all only interested in protecting their own interests and not protecting the UK.

OP I would not book anything until we know what the deal looks like. Ignore the know it all or naive travel "experts" who are either concerned people will stop buying holidays or at a sufficiently low level their companies have not enlightened yet for fear of spreading panic. It is a big deal and we do not know it will all be fine yet.

@Glaciferous

My MP is Theresa May! As fun as it gets...

Commiserations!

Regardless of who your MP is - CONTACT THEM
Post on their facebook
Post on their twitter
Email them
as the only way they will sit up and take notice is if they think they might be out of a job at the next general election
you know, the democratic ones where we get to change our mind every few years

Ideologically-rabid Brexiteers are one thing. Mindless idiots who just go, Oh, it'll be fiiiine, we're British are quite another.
Fuck me. It appears the country is screwed in more ways than I ever imagined.

You can imagine how incredibly pleased I am that these people got to vote on my future, and I didn't. I get none of the control, and all of the consequences.

The difference though is that Brits in the EU seems to stay there despite the uncertainty.
EU citizens are leaving.
I’m wondering why....
.
Because my life is here. Because I spent nine years learning a whole other language. Because this is the only home my son has known. I could go on, but I can't be fucking bothered, frankly.

They predicted a global meltdown for Y2K. N-O-T-H-I-N-G H-A-P-P-E-N-E-D.

Oh look, it's fuckwit o'clock.

Why do people keep going on about the Millenium bug? I don't get how that's even remotely compariable? Am I missing something?

Because herds of pig-ignorant types apparently remain completely unaware of the thousands of hours that went into ensuring that 'nothing happened'. I know first-hand, also, I worked for a software company at the time.

Lets say then for arguments sake the EU closes the skies to UK planes and this will obviously be reciprocated.

You are talking as though this is something they can choose to do or not do. They don't have a choice - without current valid agreements in place, they just CAN NOT DO IT.

Love the comments above suggesting that its ridiculous to be worried as the economy would go into freefall if nobody could travel freely. Errr, yep, that's Brexit for you, better get used to freefall.

Thanks for that. Hadn't read it. That's pretty depressing if it does come about because it was never the case before our membership. I am still hoping that we change our minds anyway or get the softest of Brexits. T

Thank you for answering my question talkin

I have not read full thread but :
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887
Transition period only applies if we reach a deal. Likelihood of a "no deal" brexit is a matter of opinion.
From BBC:
What is the 'transition' period?
It refers to a period of time after 29 March, 2019, to 31 December, 2020, to get everything in place and allow businesses and others to prepare for the moment when the new post-Brexit rules between the UK and the EU begin. It also allows more time for the details of the new relationship to be fully hammered out. Free movement will continue during the transition period, as the EU wanted. The UK will be able to strike its own trade deals - although they won't be able to come into force until 1 January 2021. This transition period is currently only due to happen if the UK and the EU agree a Brexit deal.

Indeed
and if there is no deal, it is INCREDIBLY unlikely that flights will be moving in the first week of April
it is also highly unlikely that Ferries and Cross Channel trains will be running to anything like a normal timetable.

If everybody pulled their finger out, there might be an arrangement within a couple of weeks

but by then the UK's shops will be looking pretty bare of fresh foods
and many businesses will have had to take a break because they will not be able to get goods and materials

A No Deal Brexit is a horrific prospect.

It's not going to make any difference other than you will no longer queue in the EU passports line

To be fair, as we are not in Schengen, we often get lumped in with the non-EU citizens queue anyway. Used to happen at Frankfurt airport on a regular basis. Not fun when you arrived a few minutes before a fully loaded plane from Turkey. Although you queued about an hour, not 3-4. But it's long enough.

To be fair, as we are not in Schengen, we often get lumped in with the non-EU citizens queue anyway.

I've travelled a fair bit and that's never happened to me, EU is EU in my experience

As a non EU citizen until recently ....

Brits are in for a MASSIVE shock if there is any sort of hard brexit

I've been following this thread. All interesting opinions. I'm an Irish citizen living in the UK and, while I had attended applying for citizenship post Brexit, hadn't got around to it yet. I'm getting ever closer.

@Jason118, I travel to a particular part of France by plane a fair bit and at our destination they now have a EU-Schengen, and an EU-Non Schengen queue. So, at least the French are starting to differentiate. They also check passports way more thoroughly than they used to.

Obviously, as an Irish citizen, I get caught by that too. Which is annoying.