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To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

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Hoardernomore · 04/10/2018 13:09

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

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scottishdiem · 04/10/2018 16:52

It works both ways.

Correct. Which is why the UK needs to get a grip and stop telling others what to do and come to an agreement.

Just like imports/exports - if the EU start banning imports from the UK, then the UK just ban imports from the EU.

Actually it works both ways automatically. Its about actual trade rules. If the UK isnt complaint with EU rules then that means it has its own rules which means that EU goods would not be complaint with UK rules and thus trade doesnt happen.

The damage to the EU in both scenarios is as harmful to them as it is to the UK.

No, not really. The impact will be shared across the EU (some worse than others obviously). The impact on the UK will not be shared.

Hence, it makes sense for all parties to come to an agreement to keep thing moving for everyone's benefit. There'd be a massive outcry by tourist attractions/areas throughout the EU if they suddenly lost tourists from the UK

Yes but it depends if you think that UK tourists cannot be replaced by other countries. And ask a tourist company - do you want to target people who can come to your place easily and cheaply without visas etc or ones that have paperwork and other hoops to go through.

just as BMW in Germany would be massively damaged if they couldn't export to the UK.

But car companies benefit from EU rules. The UK want to end these rules but the car companies prefer being able to manufacture just as they do now. The UK market is not more important than a global supply chain and manufacturing centres in several countries.

The idea that the EU will come begging to us is laughable.

Angelil · 04/10/2018 16:54

@kitnkaboodle

  1. We will be third country nationals post-Brexit (who currently have to have visas to travel to mainland Europe)
  2. things have changed since the 1970s...far more people travelling than back then
Drummingisfun · 04/10/2018 16:57

I have just realised that we have flights booked to the EU for 2 weeks after brexit.
Hotel not an issue as we are staying with family, and flights are fully paid already.
OH has an Eu passport so he can get in easily. We can get the kids an eu passport if needed as they have dual nationality. I only have a uk passport though so this means I may have to faff about with visas right at the beginning of the new system Sad

Angelil · 04/10/2018 16:57

@CaMePlaitPas Do you have citizenship of the country in which you live (or at least permanent residency rights that are not tied to EU membership)? If not, you will have the same status as a third-country national post-Brexit and I would be far more worried than you seem to be.

@Blackstabbath ...you don't seem to understand that with no deal, people will not be able to travel. Britain will not be able to import and export goods. People who are already abroad may find that they are no longer able to access their accounts/use their cards. What makes you so sure that all will be well?

Ta1kinpeace · 04/10/2018 16:59

@Drummingisfun
If there is a no deal Brexit, passports may be the least of your issues as the systems for flights to take off and land may not have been settled.

Racecardriver · 04/10/2018 17:02

Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Alternatively check whether you can change dates without loosing too much money.

kidsatuniemptynester · 04/10/2018 17:03

Those optimistic Brexiteers may like to read this. Although you will likely dismiss it as Project Fear. I prefer to call it Project Reality. I don't know what to advise, but I shall not be booking anything until we know what is going on.

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 04/10/2018 17:04

Nothing will happen you will just have to get a visa I wish people would stop scaremongering

It's this kind of comprehensive grasp of the issues that have got us into this bloody mess.

kidsatuniemptynester · 04/10/2018 17:05

Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded

What? As in Brexit itself, the ultimate act of political idiocy?

Almondio · 04/10/2018 17:06

Make sure you have at least 6 months on your passport when ypu travel, in the event of us leaving the EU ad predicted next year.

DC is going on a school trip to France in late March and that's the advice they've been given by the travel company.

jasjas1973 · 04/10/2018 17:08

For everyone who says "it'll be fine" etc etc then why is the Government planing for this exact scenario? they published the technical papers on this.
O'Leaary of RyanAir says he has had no assurances all will be well and perhaps most importantly, Chris (failing) Grayling is the minister in charge Shock

Ta1kinpeace · 04/10/2018 17:09

Almondio
Has the school give you its "no deal" contingency plan for getting the kids home in time for the start of term?

Racecardriver
Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded.
Exactly. And I've seen bucket loads of it from both main parties.

Hence why I am NOT booking my April flights until I KNOW what is happening.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/10/2018 17:11

The people with no knowledge of aviation or trade or anything to do with the Eu and our relationship are hilarious on this thread.

‘’I walked past a Thomas cook five years ago and am quite the expert. I personally feel everything will be exactly the same. Why wouldn’t it?’’

Satsumaeater · 04/10/2018 17:15

I read in the Times the other day that Theresa May was willing to give ground on the customs union issue to break the deadlock. This would resolve the NI issue (and Gibraltar to an extent).

If this is true and actually happens (I am not holding my breath but it is the solution), we get the withdrawal agreement which means we have a transition until December 2020. So holidays will be fine until then as will our visa-free status. Then we can start worrying over again. Ski holidays in Feb 2021 may be an issue!

Longdistance · 04/10/2018 17:15

Is this like the new Millennium bug? (that never happened). Iirc it was a fart in a paper bag 💨

Buteo · 04/10/2018 17:16

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the transition period was extended to give the UK time to put new arrangements in place, even if it turns out to be a "no deal" Brexit.

FFS. No Deal means the UK is out on its arse at 11pm on 29th March. No transition period. All you can hope for is a “bare bones” aviation deal that the EU outlined as a possibility in the event of No Deal.

Ta1kinpeace · 04/10/2018 17:17

@Longdistance
The Millennium Bug was AVERTED because hundreds of EXPERT people put tens of thousands of hours into MAKING THE SYSTEMS WORK

Brexit is being driven by people who hate experts and will not put any hard work into sorting the systems out.
VERY VERY different situation

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 04/10/2018 17:19

I love people saying that we will have to get visas or not get visas to travel. How do you know? Seeing that the government has no idea and no real plans.

Whether you are a leaver or a remainer I think that we can all agree that the UK government is a disgrace.

FridayThirteenth · 04/10/2018 17:21

Oh bloody hell the Millennium Bug comparison again...

MongerTruffle · 04/10/2018 17:21

If British citizens do need visas to enter the UK, then that will be the least of our worries. The EU's ETIAS system (which UK citizens will probably be subject to) won't be implemented until 2020-2021, so having to get visas in March 2019 implies that there won't be a deal. No deal means that there will be no legal basis for planes, trains and ferries to operate (especially planes) to operate. Brexiteers are very keen to point out that the UK can't make its own trade deals, and they are right, but they don't seem to have a solution.

Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded.
It does seem unbelievable that the UK would be in a position where flight would be grounded. Do you remember the 2000 fuel protests? It seems unbelievable that the UK could have schools, businesses and the Royal Mail shut down due to a lack of fuel.

(I really hope that I will be proved wrong on 30 March 2019.)

oh4forkssake · 04/10/2018 17:22

If you are at a party and decide to go home early, you can't take all the beer and nibbles with you.

This is brilliant.

Nor can you demand the host pays for your journey home. This analogy is a good one I'm looking at you DH

Winterbella · 04/10/2018 17:23

Like, your jumping the gun a bit aren't you, you need to wait and see what happens with the negotiations, cancelling your plans would be just stupid.

Ta1kinpeace · 04/10/2018 17:24

I love people saying that we will have to get visas or not get visas to travel. How do you know? Seeing that the government has no idea and no real plans.
Well, that would be because Theresa May has made it a clear policy to restrict immigration and clamp down on EU nationals coming to the UK.

THe UK already has the most expensive visas in the world
THe rest of the EU will gladly charge Brits what the UK wants to charge them ....

Luckyme2 · 04/10/2018 17:24

If you are at a party and decide to go home early, you can't take all the beer and nibbles with you.

I'm definitely stealing this one!

MongerTruffle · 04/10/2018 17:26

If you are at a party and decide to go home early, you can't take all the beer and nibbles with you.

To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?
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