To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

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We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

Is this like the new Millennium bug? (that never happened)

No. Not at all. Do you seriously think that 'nothing will happen' as a consequence of Brexit?

Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded

Door. Horse. Bolted.

Is this like the new Millennium bug? (that never happened)

We will never know if the concerns were real or not, because huge sums of money were spent to make sure that it would never cause any problems.

If you don't have to pay the balance until January then I would wait until then to make your decision. Things should start to become clearer over the next couple of months.

Let's face it, if our planes can't fly in Europe, then their planes are unlikely to be able fly here, likewise lorries

It's this ridiculously flawed logic that is blinding people to the problems.

This isn't tit for tat. This isn't a case of you can't enter my airspace if I can't enter yours.

The rest of the EU will still be covered by the agreements which allow their planes to fly.

The whole problem here is the UK, and the UK alone, won't be covered by them anymore.

Only an unbelievable degree of political idiocy would lead to a situation where flights are grounded

The thing is, idiotic things do happen where legislative things are concerned. I know this to my cost as a couple of years ago my annual payment for registration with the Nursing and Midwifery Council didn’t go through in time. My registration lapsed and I couldn’t work. I found out halfway through a clinic, had to cancel my patients and go home. Took two weeks to sort out and that was me nagging them every day. One of the problem is, pilots and ground staff that work on planes will lose their lecences in the event of no deal. The knock on is, just like me, the pilots etc will lose their insurances

It's threads like this that make me put my head in my hands, frankly. People STILL say 'I'd vote Brexit again, me!' and it's so bloody, painfully obvious that many, many people STILL don't understand the implications of it.

Yet they'd do it again. Isn't that the definition of something or other?

Madness

Before Poland joined the EU I had to go through all the passport checks to get here, fill in the landing card every time I came to the UK, etc. Tedious and more time consuming, but not prohibitive.
I hope the movement of people won't be much more tedious than that after March 2019.
It's all the other stuff that really worries me, There are so many areas of life and work that were not considered before the referendum and with such a short time left there are still no concrete plans on how to deal with them. I can't believe they are still arguing about the type of deal this late and not working out the details.
So I think travel is probably the least of the worries here.

Thanks for belittling the Millennium bug. Yes, it did not happen, because people like worked tirelessly to avoid it. I was still in the office on New year's eve just to be on the safe side.

People who think a couple of weeks is long enough to get a visa have clearly never applied for a visa before! Of course there would need to be a visa process put in place before people could apply for one, I don't imagine organising that would be very fast either.

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption

This might be a daft question, but are flights to countries outside of the EU likely to be affected, e.g. the US?

ShinyElena - yes, it's the same argument as for not vaccinating, isn't it? No need for vaccines because there are no more of the diseases. And why is that? Face. Palm.

But that's for another thread altogether.

Thanks AF. I thought it rang a bell

I'm off to Spain for Easter celebrations I'll be going for sure, maybe I'll have to stay, sure I wouldn't mind too much 🤣 genuinely though the thought to worry hasn't crossed my mind. It will be fine x

I can’t believe the level of naivety optimism on this thread.

Is this really news to so many people? Now? With a matter of months to Brexit-Day? Where have you been, what did you really think would happen?

This might be a daft question, but are flights to countries outside of the EU likely to be affected, e.g. the US?

Yes they are because the issue isn't about flying over EU airspace it's the licences and agreements under which the planes operate.

The UK will no longer be covered by the EU agreements so technically, they cannot fly unless some other agreements are reached.

Heathrow airport has contingency plans to be closed for several months - does that not indicate this is more than just an issue with a few flights to the Med.

I've got a £4K holiday booked for 10 days after Brexit. Have to pay balance in January. Doing nothing for now. Going to pay balance. Worst case we get the holiday refunded in full as it's a package in entirety. Best case it will all be okay. I can't believe all Europeans won't be able to fly to UK either after Brexit so a deal will be struck.

Book all Inclusive packages and will be covered. You won't be covered for independently booked hotels etc as will just get flights back

I have found our family insurance policies.
Neither of them mentions Brexit by name.

However neither of them pays out if a tour operator, travel agent or transportation company goes to the wall.

They also exclude
"circumstances which you knew about before you purchased this insurance or at a time of booking your trip (whichever is the earlier) which could result in a claim;"

or as the bank's travel insurance lists in the main exclusions:
"Cancellation or curtailment due to adverse weather conditions or an anticipated event"

I do not think insurers will accept not knowing about Brexit as an excuse.

I can't believe all Europeans won't be able to fly to UK either after Brexit so a deal will be struck

Why?

Worst case we get the holiday refunded in full as it's a package in entirety.

I'd check your T&C's to confirm that - I very much doubt it's true.

The guardian link backs this up. Refunds for flights and packages. No compensation for extras booked with other companies.

I'm safe either way

Thanks @Bearbehind. We've got a 3 week road trip in the US booked in May, fingers crossed something is sorted as we've got to pay the balance in February!

Compensation is not the same as a refund. Refunds will be given for flights and packages. Compensation will not be given for hotels etc booked independently to your flights direct with a hotel

It's quite clear. They are not the same thing. I will get a refund. I am not applying for compensation.

Costacoffeeplease - because europe will dip out too

Anyway it's all conjecture. A deal will be struck.