To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

The EU are not being obstructionist.
The UK wants to leave the EU, which is 'fine'.
What it can't do is insist that it takes a load of good deals that it had when it leaves, which would disadvantage the other 27 members.
If you are at a party and decide to go home early, you can't take all the beer and nibbles with you.

I really hope the powers that be don't let the world grind to a halt. I think it would be so cataclysmic I really don't think they can.

The world won't grind to a halt. Just us. And our neighbours, who we've stuck two fingers up to (and compared to Soviet Russia), will watch and feel rightly smug about it all. I wonder where Farage, Johnson, Fox, Gove etc will be then? Oh I suppose they'll be blaming it all on those who warned this would happen.

Nissan today warned of serious disruption, and described its operations in the UK as a European investment based in the UK. here . Vauxhall, now owned by a French company, warned of "dramatic consequences" here

Toyota, BMW and Vauxhall have recently warned that a hard Brexit will likely result in reduced operations in the UK. The JLR Chief Exec warned operations could grind to a halt and tens of thousands of jobs could be lost.

But if we believe it will work out, it will. It's just those of us who won't believe who are stopping it happening. I want a new car, so I'm going to start believing. Now, if you'd all be good enough to join me, it might happen.

@JeremyCorbynsBeard nobody is saying we won't be allowed to travel - but if there is no deal negotiated then any agreements in place cease and new ones have to be negotiated (and no, we don't revert to pre EU agreements because they have been superceded).

There are literally hundreds so even with all the good will in the world, it will take time to draft and ratify all the agreements.

If no deal is looking likely I assume work to come to arrangements will start sooner - although this is rather relying on deals ahead of a no deal.

It's not scaremongering to say that A) no deal is looking increasingly likely and B) the full consequences of no deal on many areas is not fully known

I didn't think of the force majeure clause. I didn't think it would apply to the Brexit situation, but clearly others have thought about this more than I have.

What I would say is that if you are travelling a fortnight afterwards then you are much less likely to be affected. I'd only really be nervous about the first few days.

If the planes did stop completely there would be monumental pressure to sort it out as soon as possible and it's hard to see a complete cessation lasting as long as a week.

Ah damn. Before I opened the thread I betted 8 posts before some doofus said "scaremongering" but it was only 5.

OP, I would wait until the last possible day to pay the balance and see what happens in the meantime.

OP - waiting till Jan seems sensible. It should hopefully be pretty obvious by then which way things are going (and if not we're fucked anyway).

Have you tried contacting your MP to ask? Esp if they are Tory, they should have to answer you about what the heck they are planning.

{This is getting ridiculous, even with no deal the world will not stop. }

Half right. Life as you know it in the UK will stop. It will suddenly get more expensive and more difficult, and that is after any sudden stoppages.
The 'warnings' put out by the car companies and many others are VERY mild. They are businesses and it it does not look profitable to manufacture in the UK they will simply lay everyone off and take their machinery into mainland EU where other governments will be scrambling to get the work. German industry was TOLD to stop relying on UK made parts over a year ago.

No one bloody knows! What a pile of shit we've been forced into. We phoned our insurance company to ask if we'd be covered and they basically could only shrug their shoulders and say 'we don't know.'

Why are people assuming we will need visas to go to the EU? Didn't need them before we joined in the 70s ... genuine question

@pachyderms this is the same response I am getting.

The accommodation for the place we want to go to in Spain in May was released this week. I'm in two minds as I think that surely any issues will be sorted by then?

But then - it's a lot of money I can't afford to throw away and if I can't be guaranteed I'll get a refund I think it's safer not to book and either do some last minute or holiday in the UK.

I keep thinking 'well surely it can't be THAT bad and the grown ups will step in and sort it all out'

but then I thought we would remain and Trump wouldn't become president so...

Flights to and from the UK if there’s no Brexit deal - Published 24 September 2018

After March 2019 if there’s no deal
If the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 with no agreement in place, UK and EU licensed airlines would lose the automatic right to operate air services between the UK and the EU without seeking advance permission. This would mean that airlines operating between the UK and the EU would need to seek individual permissions to operate. EU-licensed airlines would lose the ability to operate wholly within the UK (for example from Heathrow to Edinburgh) and UK-licensed airlines would lose the ability to operate intra-EU air services (for example from Milan to Paris).
[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal]]

Driving in the EU if there's no Brexit deal - Published 13 September 2018

After March 2019 if there’s no deal
Your driving licence may no longer be valid by itself when driving in the EU.

If you move to another EU country to live, you may not be able to exchange your licence after the UK has left the EU.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/driving-in-the-eu-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/driving-in-the-eu-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

6 months on your passport won’t be much use if there are no planes/ferries/Eurostar operating

As non-EU nationals we may well have to get visas to travel to EU countries, the same as other non-EU nationals have to

FFS. You will need a visa. Regardless of deal or no deal. That's all there is to it. Also, the pound won't stretch far. It will correct itself. But for now, don't panic.

It is not about the visa. It is about lack of transport.

France may stop trains and planes from UK under no-deal Brexit

Senior politician says France is prepared to pass emergency laws to protect citizens

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/13/france-may-stop-trains-and-planes-from-uk-under-no-deal-brexit

chortle - go try and get insurance to cover this - either the premium will be comparable to your potential loss or you'll be laughed at.

good luck with accusing the insurance companies of scaremongering.

To be fair to the travel/other insurance companies, they are working with the same lack of information as the rest of us.

Why as a company are you going to underwrite loads of policies which have a very high risk of large payouts to be made if things do all go belly up. Looking at in a business sense that has the potential to bankrupt them.

OP - there should be some clarity on whether we will get a deal by the end of November, so sit tight and don't pay your deposit till then. Who knows, we may even have had a general election by then, or at least a leadership challenge. (A general election would put the process on hold.)

If there is no deal, the M20 and most of the roads in Kent will become lorry parks, as the French will apply the letter of the law to letting transport in and out. There will be no "waving through". Hopefully there will be some common sense applied to airlines as not being able to fly will hurt EU airlines as much as UK ones.

Theresa May should never have triggered Article 50 without doing some homework on what Brexit might look like.

It's an absolute nightmare. I'm scheduled to be on one of the "Cinderella flights" on the 29th - we leave the UK as EU citizens but turn into pumpkins somewhere over Serbia and join the "crap passports" line when we get to Sofia. Which is depressing enough but I'm mainly concerned about being stuck in Sofia and not able to get to work in the UK or stuck in the UK and not able to get home to Sofia (I'd rather be stuck in Sofia, no bones about that but my boss may not agree).

Will travel insurance cover the uncertainties of Brexit? Genuine question I don’t know.

From what I've read there doesn't seem to be a simple answer to this. You have to read the small print of your individual insurance policy. Some insurance companies are explicitly stating that they will not cover delays or cancellations caused by the UK exiting the EU. The following is from an article in the Financial Times in August:

Travel companies have been taking the risks seriously enough to start to write clauses into their booking conditions making clear that the company would have responsibility only for the reimbursement of the service the customer has purchased.
“Make sure you check the terms and conditions of any bookings you make ahead of the Brexit date,” says Ms Vicente. “In the unlikely event planes are grounded, this will have little impact on [refunds for] customers who have booked package holidays. But those buying flights and accommodation separately could find themselves with non-refundable accommodation costs and no flight to get them there.” She cautions that this is not something that most travel insurance policies would cover either.

Bear in mind, also, that as things stand currently UK residents' EHICs will not be valid after 29 Mar 2019 (regardless of the expiry date printed on the card), so you might also need to take out health insurance.

Thank you. I thought I was being dim not knowing for sure but it seems everyone is equally in the dark.

To those saying "We could do xyz before we joined the Common Market"

That was 45 years ago and the world of international trade and travel has changed massively.

The UK would be like a completely new country rising from the sea off the West coast of mainland Europe
No international trade deals, no international transport agreements, no agencies like EURATOM, Medicines Agency etc

All need to be negotiated / created from scratch