To think we might not be going on holiday next April after all?

[Hoardernomore]

We stupidly booked a holiday to France for about a fortnight after Brexit. I didn’t even consider brexit at the time, I just considered ds’s Easter holidays. It’s to Disneyland Paris and we’ve been waiting to take the children for ages. We’ve only paid the deposit on the hotel (stopping in Disneyland hotel so expensive if we end up not being able to go) but have paid for the flights.

We are idiots.

Would we be best to cut our losses and not pay the balance on the hotel and book for another time?

I didn't vote for it. I voted remain as did most of my family, because unlike the pro Brexit simpletons we are capable of looking at the bigger picture.

In fact that's the problem, they are totally incapable of seeing beyond the end of their own noses.

No I didn’t vote for it either...
I can’t help feeling that a lot of people who voted out did so almost as a protest vote generally and never really expected the leave vote to get the majority. I also think lots of people didn’t bother going to vote remain as they didn’t think there was a real risk we’d end up leaving.
I do think it would be a different result if we had another referendum but you can’t keep having votes if you don’t get the answer you want can you...

Not being able to fly isn't the end of the earth

Seriously?! Nobody would be able to get in or out of the country FFS! And that includes food and medicine, maybe wr should just let all the diabetics die because insulin isn't made in the UK? But that I suppose that's the 'will of the people'?🙄

I don’t really blame the current Tory government but I do blame David Cameron. Why would you let people vote on this?! Total disaster

Because DC and cronies never imagined that we would vote out, that's why! Unfortunately, they totally misread the mood of the small, but significant, majority and this is what we're left with. Utterly bonkers stuff. Do you think if we all pinch ourselves at the same time, we might wake up?

I would wait....

No withdrawal agreement= no transition period.

Article 50- at 11pm @29th march....ALL treaties cease...

This covers visas/car licenses...
As well as airspace and ability for aeroplanes to land....

There are 2 weeks for TM to get the WA finalised....

manic yeah I’m diabetic so probably I should stop worrying about Disney and be more concerned about dying! I am pretty concerned about there being no insulin.

I think many people are too trusting that the powers that be have it all under control. Anyone watching the circus of Brexit negotiations and the behaviour of our politicians over the last few months can see that it is clear they really have no plan and no idea how this will turn out. They themselves are hoping for the best. In fact the very reason I voted remain was because it was clear that they had not carefully considered all the risks and had no clear plan of how this would work. It beggars belief that two years later they are still running around like headless chickens.

I don’t really blame the current Tory government

I certainly do, many of them were party to the original decision to have a vote and they are the ones implementing it.

May could have shown some leadership and explained that Brexit is a bad idea (its what she apparently believed pre 2016) and abandoned or at least postponed.

Well I’m sure the environment would love even a few weeks of no planes.

As long as they manage a way say via ferry to get food and medicine which should be a priority to sort. Holiday flights are not important.

Holiday flights are not important.

Not all flights are holiday flights and not all passengers are holidaymakers.

Engineers, consultants, project workers, sales people etc. are all vital to the UK's ability to sell and deliver British goods and services into this great global world that the Brexiters believe is out there. You can meet thousands of them every Monday morning at Stansted, Heathrow, Manchester Airport etc setting off to fly the flag for the UK. Likewise, people fly into the UK to perform important work. If a piece of vital hospital or production equipment breaks down, or just needs regular maintenance, the engineers often fly in from abroad to do the work.

Thousands of tons of freight are flown into the country every day, including food and components. In particular, vital medical equipment (e.g. isotopes for cancer) and medicines are flown in. These cannot easily come by ferry - if there are no flights, the ferry ports will be clogged up too.

I was just pointing out worrying about a bloody holiday flight when food/medicine is more important is crazy.

So what if you cannot get to Spain to sit by a pool. That doesn’t matter getting food and medicine does.

I was just pointing out worrying about a bloody holiday flight when food/medicine is more important is crazy.

Unless there's going to be a special arrangement in which [the entire complicated set of systems needed for] international travel is going to be magically expedited for people/things-deemed-serious-and-important, the OP's concern about their holiday is exactly the same problem as any other non-frivolous travel.

How on earth is food and medicine supposed to be imported into the country if flights can't land here?

Oh shit. I have done the exact same. I didn’t even think. FUCK.

Dear @MNHQ
NOW do you see why we wish you'd left these threads on the popular pages 18 months ago when some of us started warning about such things ?

Lots of MN posters on this thread might lose money ...

I spoke to Eurostar in online chat. They said we can still travel. I am SO scared, I can’t cancel this now

I was just pointing out worrying about a bloody holiday flight when food/medicine is more important is crazy.

It is possible to worry about more than one thing you know. I can worry about food and medicine AND the fact I might not be able to go on holiday.

Yes I’m worrying about more than just the holiday but the holiday was what I was asking advice about!

Yeah I’ve spent £2k so maybe that’s not important to some people but it’s very important to us. The U.K. is stockpiling medicine and food to keep themselves covered and out of trouble, they are not stockpiling Mickey Mouse meet and greets for my 3yo and that’s all that matters to her.

We've been planning this for years and have only just been able to afford it. I think any of us with a holiday booked are quite entitled to worry about it!

I spoke to Eurostar in online chat. They said we can still travel.

They have no basis for making this statement. It has been pointed out that if there is No Deal, then even rail transport will be affected. Eurostar might well be unable to run (for reasons of licenses and approvals) and the Chunnel might experience issues with goods transport - e.g. only goods traffic might be allowed through to ensure food supplies.

Another aspect to consider is the cashflow of the holiday companies.
While unlikely to affect Eurostar, the large tour operators and particularly the smaller ones certainly don't want people to stop booking holidays. A lack of bookings, deposits and final payments, and therefore a drying up of cash, will put many travel companies at risk.

They have no basis for making this statement yeah I am still worried but I’ll leave booking travel for now and revisit it when TM stops dancing around like a dick head and gets on with sorting out this mess

Ask the Eurostar "chat" person to confirm in writing that Eurostar will pay out for all consequential costs (accommodation, car hire, onward travel etc) if the Eurostar is unable to run as a result of a No-Deal Brexit.

Let us know how you get on.....

Not scaremongering, just being realistic.

Well they’ll never agree to that because it’s not their fault the U.K. government can’t secure a deal.