To ask you: All In or All Out?

[Quietrebel]

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

I was only saying what I see - which is worrying in itself because my news source (BBC mostly) hasn't made this half as clear and explicit as you have.

If you can, try and watch some Irish news. You'll get a very different take on it. Tbh, very often on live news broadcasts the journalists and news anchors can't keep their faces neutral and their own shock and disbelief at what they are reporting is obvious. There is a lot of 'this can't be right' faces with the anchor often getting the correspondent journalist to repeat what they've reported on with a, 'if X really happened, then that means Y and surely that can't be right' type of clarification. Obviously this is mostly rehearsed but the bafflement is real because this is so bizarre and unprecedented. Especially when certain Tories are making unchallenged statements about Ireland that are just so blatantly untrue.

Ireland is mostly very pro-EU and always have been. Even when the public has voted against EU treaties, leaving has never been anything more than a fringe idea. Ireland would also love absolutely nothing more than for Britain to do a u-turn and stay in the EU. Out of all member states, Ireland has the most to lose from Brexit and wants to see this all go away. So you do have to watch the news with that in mind.

For British news, I favour Channel 4. Yes, it has a clear 'Remain' editorial slant, and Jon Snow is pretty anti-Tory. So you have to bear that in mind when watching. But they also seem to be reporting from a 'we don't actually know that the fuck is going on,' perspective which at this point in time is as close to objective reality as you can get. Euronews also has an English language service which will give a more continental perspective.

Tbh, I only ever choose to watch BBC News as a news source for reporting on certain types of breaking news, like a terrorist incident or natural disaster. Or certain types of news documentary. The BBC can do excellent reporting but they do have a certain type of bias which is making their Brexit reporting very unreliable as an information source.

I don’t want to derail the thread too much Hen so I’ll try and keep this short.

I was and am a remainer. Quite a lot of leavers round here. Trying to bring up NI as relevant to the vote was a non-starter. Very much filed under not relevant to me / SOP (somebody else’s problem). I’m not saying that is right. I’m saying it’s what happened where I am.

Remain

Batteriesallgone thanks for explaining. To be fair that’s what I thought it was, not my problem kind of attitude.

Which is really depressing.

So none of you realised that a hard border in NI would be catastrophic? None of you knew anything about historical treatment of the Irish people by successive UK governments or anything about The Troubles?

Dead right ^.

Although to be fair, it seemed to take some members of the government by surprise as well.

Remain.

And if you think no deal please read about how shite the 200 med stockpile is.

Remain.

Remain 100% from the start!

Even though Ireland has just backed Mays custom plan I'm still remain.

Remain. OBVIOUSLY.

I would gladly take the shame and the embarrassment and the rest of the EU thinking we're a bunch of loonies - they do already - if it means we can stay part of the EU. Completely agree with posters who say that the EU want us to stay, and will behave reasonably if we decided to revoke Article 50. Brexiteers will whine forever more but they will anyway, at least if we stay the whole country doesn't go down the toilet.

Remain, but I have been from the beginning and nothing has changed to make me waver - if anything, the opposite is true.

Remain

Remain with all my heart. I'm getting more and more upset about it the closer it gets to March.

Remain remain remain remain remain remain remain! It would be daft not to!

Remain

Remain.

Remain.

OUT I've waited a long time for this.

I'm surprised there are so many remainers on this thread considering Leave won the referendum. Are we all the "liberal elite' on Mumsnet or are the Leavers scared off this thread like shy Tories?

Remain

Remain

Remain. It was clear from the start that the Leave campaign was a pack of lies. 350 million a week for the NHS, my ass!

Silvery, and any other Leavers on the thread, can you explain why you're so excited about the thought of us leaving with No Deal, when almost everyone has predicted it will be a total disaster? And please don't include any soundbites about 'taking back control', 'they need us more than we need them', or 'Project Fear'.

Remain with all my heart. I'm getting more and more upset about it the closer it gets to March.

So this.

Remain x 1000000 and then some. This shit should not be happening and it causes me real pain every time I think of it or hear it on the news. So all day every day basically.