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To ask you: All In or All Out?

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Quietrebel · 04/10/2018 09:54

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

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FinnegansWhiskers · 05/10/2018 14:53

Most days yes... but, of course, that info was never shared. In fact there was very little info - for or against.

It would seem that the UK was in crisis at that point, had no faith in the government, and the terror threats were becoming more and more uncontrollable, with the government seemingly doing fuck all to rectify it. They didn't even go as far as extraditing the terrorists they were aware if so the British taxpayer had to fork out to keep them too... whether in a UK jail or living at home, plotting their next attack.

Nobody can blame the people of the UK for wanting to keep the UK safe.

UnnecessaryFennel · 05/10/2018 14:59

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FinnegansWhiskers · 05/10/2018 15:02

*UnnecessaryFennel

How exactly does the UK extradite a British-born terrorist?

You just sound like an apologist for those mouth-breathers who voted Leave to get rid of 'all the Muslamics', frankly*

There you go then... You think all the terrorists were British born? Who mentioned Muslims? Just you then...

UnnecessaryFennel · 05/10/2018 15:05
Hmm

Won't work, I'm afraid.

LucheroTena · 05/10/2018 15:05

Remain...again.

It’s an awful mess. I don’t have any great fondness for the EU but would have been happy with us going the way of Norway and implementing the immigration controls we already had but didn’t bother to use (and are still not using 2 years on despite control of borders supposedly being one of May’s red lines).

BackInTime · 05/10/2018 15:20

Also the info we had was made to seem that out meant just that... a quick, easy divorce. Nobody could ever have envisioned the paraphernalia and great cost we now have to go through to leave the EU. Nothing about this struggle was ever mentioned.

Yes they made it seem like it would be easy but they are politians guess what...they lied! Promises of rainbows and unicorns and millions for the NHS - did people really fall for this stuff? It was clear to anyone who actually really thought about it that it would be an incredibly difficult and costly process with huge risks to the economy and to peace in NI.

I agree that David Cameron is a total arse and should be called to account for putting us all in this mess while he swans about enjoying himself.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 15:22

You think all the terrorists were British born?

The majority of terrorists who have committed atrocities on U.K. soil WERE British born. That’s kind of the point of arguing against those who stupidly thought that Brexit would get rid of the terrorists.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 15:23

And you don’t mean extraditing, you mean deporting, which is a completely different thing. But if they’re British born that makes it a moot point anyway, because they can’t be deported because this is their home country.

Anyone who thought Brexit would stop terrorists coming is beyond reasoning with.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 15:24

Nobody can blame the people of the UK for wanting to keep the UK safe.

Do remember that when the first IRA bomb goes off, won’t you?

MyCatIsBonkers · 05/10/2018 15:32

Remain

FinnegansWhiskers · 05/10/2018 15:41

I agree that David Cameron is a total arse and should be called to account for putting us all in this mess while he swans about enjoying himself

What's he doing with himself these days? Does anyone care enough to look him up? I don't.

Probably following Blaire into a nice, cushy job within the EU....Probably.... There we go.

I didn't vote BTW. I was in Paris at the time of the referendum. Just trying to see why people of the UK voted for brexit. When you look back that was the time when Europe was being terrorized and then UK was asked to house millions of refugees that we knew nothing about. And Merkel wasn't interested in finding out. It's a shitstorm...

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 05/10/2018 15:46

But Finnegan somebody has to house the migrants & refugees.
We've basically abdicated our part of the burden and left other countries who are much less well equipped to deal with them to pick up the tab.

And we think we can just pull up the drawbridge and leave it to others to sort out. It's pretty crap of us tbh.

FinnegansWhiskers · 05/10/2018 16:17

Well... migrants are those who have left the UK..

Why should the UK house and pay for immigrants that we know nothing about.. because Merkel thought it would be a great idea to invite all and sundry to Europe?

How were they going to pay their way? Is that something you haven't thought about?

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 16:20

Why should the UK house and pay for immigrants that we know nothing about.. because Merkel thought it would be a great idea to invite all and sundry to Europe?

The refugees from war torn countries that Britain had a part in destroying? Or economic migrants to Britain? Because the two are very different.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 16:20

How were they going to pay their way? Is that something you haven't thought about?

How many immigrants do you know, personally, that aren’t working?

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 05/10/2018 16:21

Finnegan I'm talking about migrants and refugees from all over.

And the problem of how we look after them, and they 'pay their way' should be everybody's problem.

BeUpStanding · 05/10/2018 16:30

Remain

Notonthestairs · 05/10/2018 16:41

Finnegan - we most certainly did not take millions of refugees. At the end of 2016 there were approximately 120,000 Syrian refugees in the Uk - a paltry sum given the numbers that fled Syria (about 5 million).

Togaandsandals · 05/10/2018 16:46

UK was asked to house millions of refugees that we knew nothing about.

The UK govt took in incredibly low numbers of refugees from the Syrian crisis to our shame.

PigletJohn · 05/10/2018 16:50

can we try to keep to the point please?

"No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please."

I'm sure there must be another thread somewhere full of people arguing.

lettuceWrap · 05/10/2018 16:53

Absolutely REMAIN

indistinct · 05/10/2018 16:58

@Geraldine170

Fucking megalolz. Obviously written by somebody who has never been in a factory. They’re wall to wall EU migrants with a few British women.

Please cite a reference supporting this assertion. Majority of those employed at Nissan Sunderland plant are local employees from the NorthEast (~10,000 direct employees) and the I suspect the majority of those employed in support of that plant are local to their region (~30,000 employees). Is it right to threaten these people's livelihoods when a lot of the concerns dismissed as "project fear" in 2016 are proving to be real threats to them and their families?

Geraldine170 · 05/10/2018 17:07

peopleinwork

Okay. 😂😂

Https:://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket//employmentandemployeetypes

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 17:10

Geraldine170 that link proves what exactly?

Nimmykins · 05/10/2018 17:26

Remain always