To ask you: All In or All Out?

[Quietrebel]

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

Why do none of these ‘older voters’ not remember this ‘perfectly capable great country’ having to go to the IMF and BEG for a handout to keep the nation afloat in the 70s?!😩

Remain.

Remain. Brexit was a stupid idea two years ago, it's an even stupider one now we've been forced to confront the reality of the situation.

All in, Euro, Schengen, everything.

^^ This

Bad news for less educated British men employed in manual work, who are thought to have voted overwhelmingly for Leave:
www.itv.com/news/2018-10-04/manual-workers-could-be-among-hardest-hit-by-brexit-warns-ifs/
Not their fault they were lied to and bamboozled.

To me, the leave vote was an answer made in good faith to a question asked in bad faith.

They are the ones who will be most hurt by this

Shuuuush, we haven’t worked it out yet.
We genuinely think crumbling social care, food shortages and an impoverished Nhs will hurt the rich!

Can anyone supporting no deal actually tell me what’s preferable to remaining? Seriously? What’s the benefit of a no deal over staying in the EU? I’d love to know.

Well. Democracy. If we had pan European political parties and everybody from Spain to Italy to Poland and Latvia could vote for the same policies and give a proper mandate I could support it. But the current mishmash of hundreds of parties all with different policies then horse trading in parliament means we don’t have the opportunity to give a proper mandate, and the small mandate we can give is meaningless and ignored. It only inspires popular turnout for votes when people are electing it’s opponents to its halls. Too much power is given to appointees.

If we were going to federalise with Europe there are far better, more representative systems like those in the US and India. The EU system is an elective dictatorship.

I always find it interesting Remainers only tactic is browbeating and intimidating leavers into changing their vote. They never ask the EU to reform what is a patently rotten system. I think that’s because they know deep down the EU is an intransigent self serving organisation which is not flexible, inclusive or open to the concerns of its citizens.

From that article;

Parts of the manufacturing sector are likely to be hardest hit. As a result, the jobs or wages of men with low formal qualifications working in certain manual occupations may be under particular threat.

Fucking megalolz. Obviously written by somebody who has never been in a factory. They’re wall to wall EU migrants with a few British women.

I think that’s because they know deep down the EU is an intransigent self serving organisation which is not flexible, inclusive or open to the concerns of its citizens

Ah yes, because the Tories are known for inclusivity, flexibility and listening to the concerns of citizens.

Remain

Remainers only tactic is browbeating and intimidating leavers into changing their vote. They never ask the EU to reform what is a patently rotten system.*

brow-beating and intimidating.

So you think remainers should go to the Eu and say the ref said we are leaving but can you change your rules anyway please?

We get our independence back

Which we never lost (how else could we leave the EU ???)

we don't have to pay any divorce bill saving 40bn pounds.

We will pay whatever is agreed, or risk losing a hell of a lot more. You really don't want to be living in a country which the rest of the world doesn't trust to pay it's debts. You really don't.

If we have another referendum I think I’ll be found rocking in a corner. It’s just such a bloody mess. It should be a cross party negotiations. It’s not a Tory thing or a labour thing, it’s almost above A party.
We need to get on with it or don’t. (I am not sure I care either way now!) Make that decision and move the fuck on. This, what we have now. Is no fucking good to anyone.

Remain without a single doubt in my mind.

We will be very poor and in a very poor political position if we leave.

I think it will be Fucking megalolz when the can industry leaves.

That’ll really teach the rich remainers! Ha!

The EU is in a constant state of reform.
But now we won't be involved in that, and we'll have to pretend it doesn't affect us.
Great.

*car

Remain, As always.

All in please

We will pay whatever is agreed, or risk losing a hell of a lot more. You really don't want to be living in a country which the rest of the world doesn't trust to pay it's debts. You really don't

Absolutely this.

This petty mentality of “we can do whatever we want because we got rid of the EU” would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.

We are an island, one comprised of 3 countries with a 4th not on the island, heavily dependent on trade and goodwill from other countries. Potentially NI and Scotland will withdraw from the UK as a direct result of Brexit.

We need the rest of the world, whether we like it or not.

Remain.

No deal.

Factories stuffed full of migrant workers? Not according to the ONS:

In 2016, 11% (3.4 million +/- 0.2 million) of the UK labour market (30.3 million +/- 0.3 million) were non-UK nationals; EU nationals contributed 7% (2.2 million +/- 0.1 million) and non-EU nationals 4% (1.2 million +/- 0.1 million).

There are higher proportions of international migrants in some industry sectors more than others; particularly the 14% of the wholesale and retail trade, hotels and restaurants workforce are international migrants (508,000 (+/- 64,000) EU nationals are employed here) and 12% of the financial and business services sector's workforce are international migrants (382,000 (+/- 56,000) of which are EU nationals); 8% of workers in manufacturing are EU8 nationals.

701,000 non-UK nationals work in the public administration, education and health sector; over a quarter of EU14 workers (27%) and non-EU workers (29%) are employed in these industries.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/migrationandthelabourmarketuk/2016

Remain.