To ask you: All In or All Out?

[Quietrebel]

All seems to indicate that it's now crunch time for the UK. In the style of another active thread, I'd like to ask you all what you'd go for if given a binary choice between No Deal at all with the EU or Remain.
No blame game or mud slinging, just simple polite answers please.

No deal will be catastrophic for the UK.

I have no respect for anyone who wants it.

You imply remain voters are all abusive, selfish and rich and then get offended when I tell you it’s bullshit?

I didn’t imply any such thing. We know that the richer the voter the more likely they were to vote remain. That’s an established fact.

The abuse I’ve had from leave voters, and many others have had, is considerable and the fact you can’t see that is staggering.

Perhaps you might like to think about if there is anything in your approach to others which provoked them?

Bullshit isn’t an insult, it’s not name calling, it’s a statement of fact.

It’s foul and abusive language which I have not used towards you.

What you said was bullshit. It was an assumption based on your own prejudices and presumptions.

Are you a bit hard of thinking? Sorry, you’ve given me a great big laugh. Anybody who can say that then come out with the following with a straight face is either a comedy genius doing top form satire or a complete nincompoop:

What you said was bullshit. It was an assumption based on your own prejudices and presumptions.

It’s documented and evidenced the richer you are, the more likely you are to support the EU.

Plus if you claim there was no abuse, go back and search on here and have a look at Remainers wishing death on Leavers and seriously campaigning for the working classes to be denied the vote.

Remain are one of the most evil, anti democratic, elitist and selfish political movements that have ever existed.

Can anyone supporting no deal actually tell me what’s preferable to remaining? Seriously? What’s the benefit of a no deal over staying in the EU? I’d love to know.

Whoops. Last quote should have read And I’m yet to hear a leave voter (bar the one example I gave) give a reason why, beyond getting immigrants out, not giving a shit about NI and wanting sovereignty (without actually being able to explain what that is).

Berating people for ‘assumptions’ and ‘prejudice’ then coming out with that shit is hyper-super-mega hypocrisy.

We get our independence back, we don't have to pay any divorce bill saving 40bn pounds.
We will leave with no deal - Europe doesn't want us to have a deal . There will be no deal.

I don’t claim there was no abuse, I claimed it wasn’t one sided, which you did.

Your tone and attitude say it all really. You are incapable of realising that the abuse goes both ways, you are utterly incapable of saying anything that actually makes any sense, and are just looking for a row.

Which neatly sums up the point I was making.

You seem to be unable to understand that the Tory elite who pushed so very hard for Brexit aren’t skint, and that Brexit itself will have catastrophic consequences for people less well off.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Add in what’s coming because absolutely nobody considered the impact of a hard border in NI, and I find myself having very little sympathy for the very noisy, very clueless shouty leavers who didn’t foresee any of what is going to happen.

I’ll have even less sympath when it all falls out of bed

Never mind. I'll be fine as long as one of my companies can make a good export deal with a Chinese manufacturer, or if I move my investment funds to Ireland.

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not? You can’t seriously have that and say you’re not wealthy?

Don’t worry, you can come and join all us poor people who work on industries where wages tanked due to free movement.

We know that the richer the voter the more likely they were to vote remain. That’s an established fact.

I haven't seen that. We know that the less educated the voter and the older the voter the more likely they were to vote leave. We know that property ownership is far more established in the elderly so if we use property as an indicator for 'rich' then Leave voters are richer.

We can also see that some of those poorer areas that did Leave are increasingly now changing to remain. How does that fit in with your 'analysis'?

And before I hide the thread, your insults haven’t gone unnoticed. Isn’t it ironic that you resort to insults, while bitterly complaining about insults from remain voters?

I suspect the phrase, pride comes before a fall applies here. Because when it gets hard, and things get worse than they are already, at least remain voters won’t have to suck it up knowing it was all their fault.

jenny what does getting our independence back actually entail?

Have a look at how much a no deal is going to cost the UK. Seriously. Because it’s a hell of a lot more than 40 billion. Do some research before you blindly follow what the red tops tell you.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Here's an analysis of the vote again for those who need it.

Don’t worry, you can come and join all us poor people who work on industries where wages tanked due to free movement.

Ooh it took a while but there it is. Nasty little dig about immigration.

Your tone and attitude say it all really. You are incapable of realising that the abuse goes both ways, you are utterly incapable of saying anything that actually makes any sense, and are just looking for a row.

You are a complete and utter hypocrite. How dare you come on what was a relatively civil thread and start throwing around abusive language then accuse other people of looking for a row.

You need to sit down and take a long hard look at yourself. You are an unpleasant, nasty, abusive hypocrite.

Can anyone tell me (because frankly i have stopped watching the news) what will happen in March 2019 if we leave with "no deal"?

• UK planes won't be allowed to land in EU countries (and presumably vice versa). I don't believe this will happen, an agreement will be struck.

what else?

Oh right! Because you don’t believe it, it won’t happen! Of course. I’ll try that. I don’t believe Brexit is a good idea and we shouldn’t leave. There! Perfect, all sorted.

Geraldine170 I think you need a wee lie down.

You talk about hypocrisy, without a trace of irony, given the absolute rubbish you’ve invested an awful lot of time and energy writing down.

Your so called facts are wrong, and your anti immigration comment summed it all up.

I dare because I can. If you have a problem with that, I’m afraid it’s your problem.

Unlike the leave vote, which sadly, is everyone’s bloody problem.

Can anyone supporting no deal actually tell me what’s preferable to remaining? Seriously? What’s the benefit of a no deal over staying in the EU? I’d love to know.

Ooh I'll have a go:

We won, get over it.
It'll be fine. Like the Milenium Bug.
Britain is a great country. We're really excellent.
We won WW1 and WW2. All by ourselves.
They'll screw us over if we stay.
It just means we get visas thats all.
People are talking up the Irish problem. It's not a real problem.
We used to trade and travel in the 1970s.
If there's less food, I'll get thinner!
If prices come down, I'll get a house.
Companies that leave were going to leave anyway.
The EU don't love you.
Yeah but Hungary.
Yeah but Corbyn.

No deal.

Ooh it took a while but there it is. Nasty little dig about immigration

Actually I’m pro immigration but for skilled workers from the commonwealth. I happen to be married to one of those lovely brown immigrants you probably like to patronise like bunny rabbits and have 3 mixed race children.

Mass low skilled migration has hurt the poorest in our society. Racism is a convenient get out for the rich that profit from that to throw at poor people when they complain about the damage it does.

I happen to be married to one of those lovely brown immigrants you probably like to patronise like bunny rabbits and have 3 mixed race children

Lovely attempt to paint me as a bigot there. I’m not biting, I have absolutely no issues with immigration at all, nor do I devalue people based on their race, nationality, or heritage.

You do though, despite your family. Which says an awful, awful lot. No wonder you’re so angry.

No deal is going to be brilliant for poorer people!
Food and medicine shortages always hit wealthy people harder. Always.

Agriculture, NHS, vets, abbatoirs, the care sector, hospitality etc are all going to struggle with new migration rules. Along with many more sectors.
Despite having a degree and an msc and over a decade of appropriate work experience and professional qualifications I still fall below the wage cap level and wouldn't be allowed in.
We don't have the skills nor the training & development to fill our own labour requirements from the domestic sector. We'll be screwed for a long time - where is the government's plan for work training, apprenticeships, pay increases and so on after no deal?

Remain

Not from the U.K. here but I don’t understand how those in low paid jobs think leaving the EU will be a good thing.

They are the ones who will be most hurt by this. How can reduced tax take, increased unemployment and large rises in the cost of almost everything be beneficial if you are already just scrapping by. A no deal Brexit will plunge the UK into a recession where the wealthy will jump ship.

I'm astonished anyone would want no deal.

I can understand various shades of leave - but leave without a deal?

I don't agree with unfettered freedom of movement and I think the EU wilfully failed to appreciate the burden of 3 million people descending on what is actually not a very big country. It was not helpful for everyone to scream racist as soon as anyone mentioned that it was not necessarily the greatest idea.

However, all the current plans will do is fetter freedom of movement for British citizens. EEA citizens will be able to move around just as they ever did, just not to the UK. I doubt they will be very sorry.