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Men can also get breast cancer but for the same reason that it’s not as common, it’s orobably not quickly diagnosed either.

Lots more women die of heart attacks than men from breast cancer. But let's not bother learning about how heart attacks present differently in women! Perfectly justified in not understanding women's bodies properly.

FFS.

Would I be allowed to say no to this person if I have requested a female?

You can refuse a medical procedure being carried out by anyone for no reason at all.

Honestly, spread the word, I get the impression enough people don't know about this already but it's true!

Yes, you may ask for a woman, but if you're not comfortable with the woman you get - for whatever reason - you can request someone else. You may have to make another appointment, but that's probably something you can live with if you respect the need for trans people to live in their acquired gender, right?

Actually I mean any definition of women - it’s believed that the higher concentration of testosterone is a contributing factor to cardiac incidents. So nope, not important.

"However, that doesn't mean that I can't see that women all over the world have, and continue to be oppressed in ways I can barely imagine (lucky me)."

And elephant when you start discussing that on FWR and what we can do to help, sign me up I'm on board. But whilst everything is twisted to a trans issue then no thanks.

There was a thread not long ago about women and children being raped in mixed sex toilets in refugee camps. Not a single person posted about the actual victims or the issue refugees were facing or ways to help, they turned it into a this is why trans people can't be allowed in women's toilets, it was sickening, and that was the only focus.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO HIDE INDIVIDUAL POSTERS (RATHER THAN JUST A THREAD OR A TOPIC)?

Lichtie I completely agree with you.

says the person who is just making shit up

No that would be you. As if breast cancer in men is anywhere near as prevalent as heart attacks in women. As if women don't have specific health needs which aren't being satisfactorily addressed.

Organisations are being pressured to drop terms relating woman or female to women's health issues in favour of "person with a cervix" or similar bollocks. You really don't know much about what you're talking about do you? Maybe pop to FWR?

So don't believe that any NHS department is wholesale referring to "person with a cervix" but if they do so what? Anyone with a cervix is also a person and so they will know that it refers to them

You know heart attacks are vastly more common in men than women, right?

When you say 'women' here, do you mean the 'biological' type of woman or the 'anyone who identifies as a woman' type of woman?

See why definitions are important?

With all due respect why is this your problem?

If a transwoman is more likely to have a heart attack because they retain the genetic risk then that is up to them to protect their own health. That is for them to figure. It really isn't your problem. If they take oestrogen though that protects against heart disease so maybe their risk diminishes anyway.

but that's probably something you can live with if you respect the need for trans people to live in their acquired gender, right?

No, a woman shouldn't have to make another appointment and risk missing cancer signs to validate a males feelings. Obviously.

Why is it different? If you're happy having a male midwife looking up there in labour, why not when having a smear?

During my labours I was off my head for a lot of it, my labours had been looooooong, there were loads of people around and it got to a bit of an emergency stage and I didn't really care who was there as long as my babies came out safely.

Incidentally, I don't know how I would have felt if I had had a male midwife there at the start when everything was quite calm, I was compus menu's and there weren't many people around. It's not necessarily because I think he will assault me or anything (although there are many many stories of male doctors assaulting women and girls in all sorts of situations so it's not like it couldn't happen) I'm just not sure I would be comfortable with it.

A smear test is obviously different. It's much more intimate, I don't get a baby at the end of it, it's uncomfortable and I always feel very vulnerable with my legs akimbo with that pointless piece of paper towel covering my modesty whilst someone is shining a light right up there!

Anyone with a cervix is also a person and so they will know that it refers to them

No they don't. Really not grasping the point here are you?

Jesus, you're incessant and a little chilling.

As you appear to be hard of understanding, let me explain it more clearly for you. I never said it was more common. I said in a particular illness, the symptoms will be more easily spotted in the prevelant suffers of that illness. Such as heart attacks in men or breast cancer in women. I never said it was the same or that there was a direct comparison. On the other hand, you seem very reticent to explain your insistence that male medical issues are the most researched despite others giving you the correct statistics....

Why is it different? If you're happy having a male midwife looking up there in labour, why not when having a smear?
In hospitals, whether on labour wards or other gynae type clinics, a male HCP is not conducting an intimate examination alone. If my GP wants to do something like that, he has to ask for a chaperone (usually a receptionist) to sit in the room, on the other side of the curtain. This isn't me asking for that, it's presumably as much for his protection as mine.
The nurses who perform smear tests have always been in a room along with me.

With all due respect why is this your problem?

That particular thing isn't really my problem. But it may be a problem for health are professionals. And if we are saying that definitions can be arbitrary and identity comes into it etc etc, and want to make laws and policy based on this, then eventually that is going to seep into all areas, including health care for both men and women.

Don't bother Fenella. Not interested in your disingenuous view of women's health care. Go and ask WEP, or Caroline Criado Perez.

It's not about whether prostate cancer or breast cancer is most researched. Many other women's issues are extremely poorly understood. Including women's heart attacks.

A smear test is obviously different. It's much more intimate, I don't get a baby at the end of it, it's uncomfortable and I always feel very vulnerable with my legs akimbo with that pointless piece of paper towel covering my modesty whilst someone is shining a light right up there!

Fair enough, and it's your right to ask for someone else to do your test if you don't want them to. Everybody has the right to ask to change doctors or nurses.That's never changed.

And if I had asked for a female GP and arrived too find a transwoman instead, no I wouldn't be at all happy about being expected to put up with it or make another appointment. Why should I? I had asked for a woman. If I hadn't specified, then I would be as happy with a transwoman as any other male bodied person"

My disingenuous view of healthcare? I asked you for facts. That’s the very opposite of disingenuous. Do fire away with your factual information whenever you are ready.

Why the fuck has this thread been allowed to be highjacked by the very people the OP was looking to avoid? . Seriously, you have a topic to discuss all this shit. Go and discuss it somewhere else!!!!!!!

No, a woman shouldn't have to make another appointment and risk missing cancer signs to validate a males feelings. Obviously.

And that's your choice to refuse to be examined by any medical practitioner.

But male doctors exist. So what do you do if you see a male GP that has to examine you? Either allow them to do their job or re book with a female dr. So what is the difference? Twice recently I've seen GP (duty dr so no idea who that was until I got there) once with a breast lump and once with abdo pain/abnormal bleeding. Male GP both times. Offered to re book me with female dr or examine me there and then with a chaperone. Unless you are currently able to avoid ever seeing a male HCP I don't see the difference.

Summergems, I know,right? Seriously cannot help themselves and proves the OP so so right.

Fair enough, and it's your right to ask for someone else to do your test if you don't want them to. Everybody has the right to ask to change doctors or nurses.That's never changed.

Because that person is male and it violates women's dignity to have a male person do it when she has specifically asked for a woman. Stop pretending that is not the issue here. As Rat said it may mean you don't get your appointment. Just to validate male feelings. Patient centred care, that's the goal.

No, a woman shouldn't have to make another appointment and risk missing cancer signs to validate a males feelings. Obviously

You're joking, surely? No woman - not even that rare woman who both meets a non-passing trans woman smear nurse but also feels uncomfortable with it - not even that rare woman should have to potentially reorganise her smear test in order that trans people can live their lives as they feel compelled? That smear we have, like, once every FIVE YEARS, we can't have two weeks later? Do you know anything about how quickly cervical cancer progresses? Clue: slowly.

That's too much to ask is it? Christ!

@SummerGems I know! Usually mumsnet step in and remind people not to derail!

I expect this will fill up quickly and people will move over to their own thread and topic.