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But you can’t state that it will with any certainty either, and it’s a lot more likely, factually, that my statement is correct. Could you please tell me why you think trans rights will prevent you from having a smear test?

Exactly this. Well said.

But none of those rights will be eroded by transwomen.

They will when women are told that even just discussing them is 'exclusionary'.

We aren’t all going to stop being given a smear test because Sam is now Samantha.

Nope, but women may well stop going for smear tests when they ask for a female to perform the procedure and 'Samantha' is stood there, speculum in hand, and there is nothing that woman can do because its enshrined in law that Samantha is a female, which is what the woman requested. Even if it is very obvious that Samantha is male bodied.

the right to equality.

What do you mean by equality here? What rights do you think women have that trans people currently don't?

Plus, you can't actually state that with any certainty. It's your belief.

Why on earth do you think that women being inclusive to transwomen is going to take away your rights to smears? Why on earth would it?
They're not taking anything away from you like that.
As someone said upthread, saying (and someone did) that they were taking away your rights, it''s exactly the mindset of persecuting minorities that's the scary chilling bit, not being inclusive and accepting to others.

Sad to see that an innocuous thread asking a techie question got derailed and is now all about trans.

If only there was a board specifically for this sort of debate....
Not that I would know as thanks to this thread I’ve learnt how to hide it

Could you please tell me why you think trans rights will prevent you from having a smear test?

We're already seeing organisations influenced by the transagenda putting up barriers to certain groups of women to cervical screening by using so called "inclusive" language.

Not everyone knows what a cervix is. It's not accessible language.

Nope, but women may well stop going for smear tests when they ask for a female to perform the procedure and 'Samantha' is stood there, speculum in hand, and there is nothing that woman can do because its enshrined in law that Samantha is a female, which is what the woman requested. Even if it is very obvious that Samantha is male bodied.

Absolutely. That too.

We're already seeing organisations influenced by the transagenda putting up barriers to certain groups of women to cervical screening by using so called "inclusive" language.

What barriers are being put up and who are these certain groups of women?

Nope, but women may well stop going for smear tests when they ask for a female to perform the procedure and 'Samantha' is stood there, speculum in hand, and there is nothing that woman can do because its enshrined in law that Samantha is a female, which is what the woman requested. Even if it is very obvious that Samantha is male bodied.

You think there are enough people out there who want to transition from male to female and also become sexual health nurses to put the entire female species of having a smear test?

At best this shows a very poor grasp of statistics.

Also, there isn't enough money to go around. Male issues are researched more, men are listened to more. MTF trans are listened to more than women. Because they are male, and their issues are male.

Which male issues are researched more? The medical condition that receives both the most funding and the most research in the past decade was breast cancer. The rising area of medical research is genomics. Which issues are you talking about?

What barriers are being put up and who are these certain groups of women?

Women who don't know what a cervix is and that they have one. Second language speakers, women without the education level to understand these medical terms. No one cares. Not woke enough.

Also, there isn't enough money to go around. Male issues are researched more, men are listened to more. MTF trans are listened to more than women. Because they are male, and their issues are male.

Really?

That's why female cancer research, screening and treatment is much better funded than male cancers then is it?

Where's the national screening programme for prostate cancer or testicular cancer?

Male issues are researched more, men are listened to more.

www.everydayhealth.com/cancer/cancer-research-where-funding-goes.aspx

Prostate cancer: $285.4 million.
Breast cancer: $572.6 million.

Classic FWR grasp on reality right there.

I think not knowing you have a cervix is probably a bigger barrier to cervical screening than inclusive language..... people who speak poor enough English that they can’t understand their letters have the option to opt in for their own language on the NHS.

Which male issues are researched more?

Many male health issues are understood better and have more research carried out. Many clinical trials have the default subject as male. WEP did a session on it at their recent conference. Women's symptoms are often poorly understood. Women die of heart attacks because doctors miss the signs which tend to present differently in women.

Classic FWR grasp on reality right there.

That wasn't actually the point I was making at all, but thanks so much!

I am having series of medical procedures carried out at the moment, which involve me being in a room with lots of other people whilst I remain fully clothed. One of the people who sometimes carries out this procedure is a transwoman with a female name. It is very obvious that this transwoman is male. However, I refer to this person as 'she' and have berated my DH for calling this transwoman 'he'.

This person is a bloody excellent nurse, and is caring and kind and has totally put me at ease.

If I was to book a smear test and this person was the nurse carrying it out, I would be really uncomfortable with that. Because I don't want a male bodied person (especially one who is so obviously male) carrying out such an intimate procedure at a time and place when I feel so vulnerable. For a smear test I would like a woman. Yes when I was having kids there were tonnes of blokes looking up my chuff and I didn't care because I just wanted my baby out! A smear is different as I'm sure most on this thread know.

Would I be allowed to say no to this person if I have requested a female? If transwomen are women and I have asked for a woman then surely I can't say no? Am I denying their right to equality if I say no, if I state my boundary on this? Again these are genuine questions for the purposes of discussion Im not goading.

Women who don't know what a cervix is and that they have one. Second language speakers, women without the education level to understand these medical terms. No one cares. Not woke enough.

What on earth does that have to do with transgender issues?

Do you think that there is an education programme somewhere teaching non English speaking women what a cervix is that is being disrupted by transwomen?

I am quite sure that when these women visit their GP the issue of cervical screening will be raised with them. I doubt very much that any transwoman is preventing a non English speaking woman from having a smear test.

-which issues?

• many issues.

Umm, that’s not an answer. Which women’s symptoms are poorly understood and symptoms of what? You know heart attacks are vastly more common in men than women, right? Which has more to do with it being better recognised. Men can also get breast cancer but for the same reason that it’s not as common, it’s orobably not quickly diagnosed either.

Do you think that there is an education programme somewhere teaching non English speaking women what a cervix is that is being disrupted by transwomen?

Organisations are being pressured to drop terms relating woman or female to women's health issues in favour of "person with a cervix" or similar bollocks. You really don't know much about what you're talking about do you? Maybe pop to FWR?

You know heart attacks are vastly more common in men than women, right?

When you say 'women' here, do you mean the 'biological' type of woman or the 'anyone who identifies as a woman' type of woman?

See why definitions are important?

Would I be allowed to say no to this person if I have requested a female?

I am quite sure that this nurse would be very sensitive to the needs of her patients and is not likely to be marching in militantly performing your smear test.

I've known male midwives. All have asked the woman if it's ok that they care for them.

For the record, my only condition for anyone carrying out a medical procedure on me is that they are suitably qualified.

you don’t know much about what you’re talking about do you? says the person who is just making shit up

Yes when I was having kids there were tonnes of blokes looking up my chuff and I didn't care because I just wanted my baby out! A smear is different as I'm sure most on this thread know

Why is it different? If you're happy having a male midwife looking up there in labour, why not when having a smear?
Not being argumentative, just curious. Surely it's just another body part to them too.

For the record, my only condition for anyone carrying out a medical procedure on me is that they are suitably qualified

Same here.