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LEMtheoriginal · 01/10/2018 22:48

How can i hide a topic? I kniw how to hide threads but would like tohide a topic?

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:22

But it’s not the same definition as femininity nor of woman.

Yes it is. Woman is an adult human female. That's all. "I don't care who uses my loo" is not a definition of a woman.

Femininity, yes, fine. Feminine men exist. And that's great.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 17:22

I don't live life by dictionary definitions.
And I'm sorry you feel oppressed, I don't, but again there's nothing wrong with disagreeing and we probably have very different experiences which might explain how we have different views

I don't feel oppressed either? As female lives go, I have had a pretty good one to be honest, there have been things along the way that probably wouldn't have happened to me if I were male, but on the whole it's been OK so far.

However, that doesn't mean that I can't see that women all over the world have, and continue to be oppressed in ways I can barely imagine (lucky me).

Interesting that you say you don't live your life by dictionary definitions. Because the men over history who have known exactly which sex class of people to murder at birth, rape, to sexually assault, deny an abortion to, deny sexual health rights to, deny the vote to, deny an education to, deny a payrise or promotion to have had no such issues or grey areas when it comes to defining what a woman or a girl or a female is.

Nesssie · 05/10/2018 17:23

A thread about hiding topics that don’t interest the op has turned into a discussion of 27 pages about that exact topic. MN is really on form atm Grin

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 17:23

Sorry the first bit there was a quote.

RatRolyPoly · 05/10/2018 17:23

I do like that you're always prepared to speak your mind Eresh. Me too. Sometimes I wish it wasn't quite so venomous (not today mind you, but in the past) but even then I quite like the emotional honesty. But do you think you could perhaps at least contribute an adorable animal to the thread as a gesture of goodwill? Just trying to get things back on track...

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 17:23

Brilliant, innit Nesssie got to laugh really lol Grin

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:24

Just when you are "defending" be sure to make it clear that it is your opinion that you are giving, not that "women" think this or want that. Only that you think this or want that.

No, sorry. I don't take orders. I'll express myself how I choose. The majority of women know full well that MTF trans are male. And don't want male people in their spaces. Yes that is an opinion. And it's the one I'm working from.

StormTreader · 05/10/2018 17:24

"When they've demanded people prove things, they've insisted on detailed manifestos of examples. "

Do you understand what an extraordinary claim is? "Transwomen are women" is such a claim.

Whereas you can literally see the words on the thread. Goodness me."

Then it should be EXTRAORDINARILY easy for you to prove it, shouldn't it? So do it. You haven't yet, at all.

StormTreader · 05/10/2018 17:25

"The majority of women know full well that MTF trans are male."
Prove it.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:26

Then it should be EXTRAORDINARILY easy for you to prove it, shouldn't it? So do it. You haven't yet, at all.

I didn't say I had any interest in doing so. It's you who is fixated on it. Why not go back and read the relevant posts?

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 17:26

Aaaanyway, let's talk about it on another thread some time, 'kay?

Yes, I'm sure we will Smile

GinIsIn · 05/10/2018 17:26

Oh yes, it's perfectly possible to be a feminist without caring about women's rights to define themselves as a class.

There’s lots of women on here offering you definitions. It’s just not the same as YOUR definition. That doesn’t mean we don’t care about women’s rights. Quite the opposite. That’s why we want to see them apply to transwomen too.

GinIsIn · 05/10/2018 17:27

Or don’t they deserve rights? Hmm

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:27

Yougov poll by Pink News -

18% in favour of self ID, 87% against. Hmm I wonder why?

RatRolyPoly · 05/10/2018 17:28

Only if that thread's not on FWR Elephant!

Or if someone @mentions me. I'm a sucker for the flattery of an @mention.

BrownPaperTeddy · 05/10/2018 17:28

No, sorry. I don't take orders. I'll express myself how I choose. The majority of women know full well that MTF trans are male. And don't want male people in their spaces. Yes that is an opinion. And it's the one I'm working from.

Well I am one of the women that don't know that full well and I don't agree with it. So I shall express my opinions equally as forcefully.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:28

It’s just not the same as YOUR definition.

Lol as if all definitions are equally valid. However do you manage to go about your daily life? It must be hard to not have any reliable understanding of what words mean.

RudeZebra · 05/10/2018 17:29

I've been really quite clear with my posts about the patriarchy and how I agreed that it was an ideological construct but unlike TWAW founded on facts (about the position of women in society) three of which I mentioned. You seem thoroughly unable to grasp this.

Ok, I'll get to where I'm finally going with this.

The dictionary definition of patriarchy very very clearly does not apply to GB in 2018. One of the central tenets of rad feminism however, is that it exists and must be destroyed. Radical Feminists on the whole seem to want to widen the dictionary definition of what patriarchy is, because otherwise their whole belief system is fucked. It's built on a lie. Its not something which may be ambiguous, but an unequivocal, plain to see, clear lie. By the dictionary definition there is NO patriarchy. It's not even debatable.

They then seem to take great delight in ensuring this ability to change and/or add to dictionary definitions, cannot be extended to the trans community. Almost all of the spiteful and mean spirited posts have been how a dictionary definition CANNOT change and must be taken at face value. When good old 4 names started her hate campaign, every post was about the dictionary definition of a woman and people were ridiculous to try and add to it/change it.

All the TRA's are doing, are using the tactics Rad tems have already used. Why is it acceptable for your group to bend, change and add definitions but not Trans people?

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 17:30

There is a biological definition of the female sex, in that they are in possession of a double XX chromosome.

Yes, and that is the definition of which women have been oppressed over millenia.

Like I said, men have had no issue, no handwringing, no grey areas on this. No talk about how someone might 'identify' what their 'gender identity' is or They know exactly what a woman is. Its evidenced throughout history and continues to be today.

And because of this women clawed their way to their rights based on their sex, not their gender identity.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:30

Well I am one of the women that don't know that full well and I don't agree with it. So I shall express my opinions equally as forcefully.

Excellent! Crack on.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:32

Ok, I'll get to where I'm finally going with this.

Not remotely interested in your whataboutery.

BrownPaperTeddy · 05/10/2018 17:32

18% in favour of self ID, 87% against. Hmm I wonder why?

And many of us on here have said that we have concerns around self ID so what does that statistic prove?

It doesn't prove anything about my views on transwomen or transmen.

RatRolyPoly · 05/10/2018 17:32

it must be hard to not have any reliable understanding of what words mean

Well how on earth do you get by Eresh if all words can only mean the sum of the meaning of other words? Isn't that rather circular?? How do you cope relating those words to actual conceptsand appreciating that the reality of those concepts is only approximated by words, and that they cannot possibly be sufficient?

TedAndLola · 05/10/2018 17:32

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2018 17:33

If all of them were "female" and female didn't mean anything as many of you appear to believe then it wouldn't matter, would it? The figure proves that people know that isn't the case.

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