I found the FWR threads shocking until I took some time to read them properly.
They are uncompromising, and often impolite, but there's no hate. Truly.
The Stop Funding Hate thread is NOT about trans people in general. It is about a very specific charity whose actions have caused concern in a number of areas, in particular campaigning for questionable medical interventions for children who are questioning their gender, and encouraging school staff to go against safeguarding best practice.
The "transwomen are not women and never will be". The position of many people on FWR is that the experience of being a biological woman is different to that of being a transwoman. Doesn't make you better, or more valuable, just different. This touches on so many things - sex-based services, tracking and measuring of figures (knowing, for example, whether biological women are being paid less - including transwomen who may have lived most of their lives as men with access to male levels of access and privilege), and the whole idea of whether feeling like you are not a cookie cutter idea of "what a woman (or man) should be" means that you are different to everyone else. Doesn't everyone feel like that sometimes? Doesn't it mean that our social ideas of femininity and masculinity need looking at before we label people as being "trans" or "cis"?
Most people on FWR have been talking about these things for years. They're not horrible people who have jumped to a hateful conclusion, they've just worked around the grey areas of the debate for a long time and arrived an an opinion that makes sense for them.
I can understand why the unrelenting focus on this topic can be wearing, although it is really important. I'd love to see more of you on the board talking about Kavanaugh and Trump and equal pay and all sorts of other stuff. Please, start a thread. And please, please, come and read some of these links www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3335962-Frequently-Asked-Questions-FAQs-I-have-noticed-here
I am entirely OK with people having different opinions to me (well, I want to persuade them because obviously, y'know, I am right) but it's frustrating to see that people here have wholly misunderstood the arguments being put across by the women on FWR.