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LEMtheoriginal · 01/10/2018 22:48

How can i hide a topic? I kniw how to hide threads but would like tohide a topic?

Thanks

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VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:15

As I said, there is absolutely no point answering the question, it's not a question of ignoring it. People acting all shocked and annoyed because a stop funding hate page wants to stop hate - erm... well of course they will, it's not rocket science.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:16

Yay, bats! I like that kind of batty lol. Autocorrect wanted to change that to Barry, so it's now Barry the Bat Grin

Wolfiefan · 05/10/2018 08:18

I love Barry the Bat!!!

AuntBeastie · 05/10/2018 08:19

Sorry, I don't remember gay people demanding that the whole world believe that they are something they are not? I don't remember gay people giving out propaganda to kids that if they like certain things and want to present in a certain way, then that identity might mean that there is something wrong with them that needs correcting?

Then you misremember history.

Gay people fought for years for acceptance of the fact that their relationships are valid, normal, equal and acceptable. They were - and still are - told that this simply couldn’t be so, that the biological reality is that sex is for procreation and requires a man and a woman, that homosexuality is a mental illness, that sexual identity is a made up thing.

There was a similar gay panic over children too. Gay people were accused of preying on young people, of pedophilia, of trying to lead children astray and convince them that they might be gay. It was illegal to discuss homosexuality in schools in case it made kids think they were gay, in case it normalised something that many people viewed as threatening and unacceptable.

Do you forget this? Do you forget so easily these prejudices and how prevalent they used to be?

NopeNi · 05/10/2018 08:22

Still ignoring the questions Grin

AuntBeastie · 05/10/2018 08:26

If you go back and read the whole thread you’ll see that I gave very clear reasons for why I no longer have those discussions or answer those questions on MN.

In an case I feel bad for contributing to such a takeover of OP’s thread, so I am stopping now.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:27

Well said, Aunt Beastie. Exactly.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:29

That was to your post before your last by the way as cross posted. If anyone wants a reason why people just don't engage any more and why people hide that particular board, this thread is a perfect example!

NopeNi · 05/10/2018 08:34

But you haven't! Agh.

And if someone starts a thread with the intention of bashing another board (as this one quickly turned into!) then of course some people from those ones are going to post here. It would happen with any boards.

If any of you do feel like answering the basic question about how and when a male can physically turn into a female in every way, I'd love to hear it.

But later, going into meetings now. Enjoy the blissful radio silence from me at least Grin

ferntwist · 05/10/2018 08:35

Aunt Beastie even if all those things did happen during the struggle for gay liberation, it doesn’t make the trans activists’ ever increasing demands right or equivalent.
I don’t go on the FWR boards regularly and I rarely see the topics on my homepage.
I agree with what the posters there say about self-identity though.
Like most people, I’m totally horrified at the activists’ push for the transing of children. Leading kids into a life of surgery and hormones that cause heart disease as a ‘treatment’ for distress is just wrong. It’s nothing like the gay liberation movement.
We’re going to lose a generation to this. Some schools have 10 or more girls wearing binders and on the waiting list to have their breasts removed. If this is liberal feminism, it’s not very helpful to actual women.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:41

OP didn't even mention what board, just wanted to know if there was a way of hiding boards on here. Her point was quickly made right as to why, as some people did a spectacular job of just so many people want to hide it!

Lichtie · 05/10/2018 08:45

Going to lose a whole generation.. really? Even if your 10 girls at a school on a waiting list were true (which I doubt), how is that a whole generation.
Can you post a link to your stats about waiting lists?

DioneTheDiabolist · 05/10/2018 08:47

I don't have access to cute animals. But I do have a very cute baby (you'll have to take my word for it, I'm not doing pics). Yesterday my mum and MiL were here and they both agreed that cute as he is, he's no longer a fat baby.Sad

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:48

Catastrophising examples again, isn't it? Hate spreading, scare mongering, making people fear.

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 08:49

Aw, pudgy babies x

DioneTheDiabolist · 05/10/2018 08:54

He still has wee fat hands and thighs, but his impressive folds have gone.Sad He is now solid/chunky rather than fat. He used to be the same shape as wise Buddha.

Pepper123123 · 05/10/2018 09:23

I'd love to know how to hide the feminist threads. So sick of seeing their hateful comments.

I consider myself 100% sure feminist, but I can't bear to see the things being said about another community. Spiteful, horrid people.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 09:32

Gay people fought for years for acceptance of the fact that their relationships are valid, normal, equal and acceptable. They were - and still are - told that this simply couldn’t be so, that the biological reality is that sex is for procreation and requires a man and a woman, that homosexuality is a mental illness, that sexual identity is a made up thing.

Firstly 'sexual identity' is not a thing. You can't 'identify' as gay or straight, it is just what you are. It was always called 'sexual orientation' which was a perfectly adequate description, but this has now been taken over by 'identity'.

The argument was that homosexuality is wrong because it 'goes against nature' or whatever. Its never been impossible to have gay sex, people just thought (and think) it was morally wrong or 'a sin'. No one (well at least no one on FWR) is saying that transgenderism is 'wrong' or that it is a sin for a man to want to become a woman. They are just saying its simply not possible, for many reasons.

On the mental illness thing there seems to be a bit of a contradiction going on. Gay people always argued that being gay is not a mental illness, it was unanimous. Amongst the trans agenda, people can't seem to agree. On the one hand we have people saying they have gender dysphoria which is a mental illness, which is why everything should be enshrined in law, and they should have access to surgery and hormones etc. And then on the other hand there is a very loud contingent arguing that being trans isn't a mental illness in the same way that being gay isn't. So which is it?

There was a similar gay panic over children too. Gay people were accused of preying on young people, of pedophilia, of trying to lead children astray and convince them that they might be gay. It was illegal to discuss homosexuality in schools in case it made kids think they were gay, in case it normalised something that many people viewed as threatening and unacceptable.

The section 28 thing was obviously ridiculous because you can't 'convince' anyone to be gay. Telling children that it's OK to be gay, that some people are gay and that's fine etc isn't ever going to make them gay because you can't 'make someone gay'. Because as I said above, being gay isn't an identity, its just a description for who one is attracted to. It's just what you like, and you can't help what you like.

I believe this is very different to telling children that if you like certain things, or want to present in a way that is outside of what is normally associated with your sex, then it is possible that you are trans, that there is something wrong that needs correcting. See Mermaids and their 'are you Barbie or GI Joe on the gender spectrum?' crap that they are now pedalling in schools. If children are being exposed to this then of course anyone who is outside of what is normally associated with 'boy' or 'girl' is going to think they are trans. It's totally different.

And finally, there are safeguarding concerns around some of the guidance being given to schools. For instance encouraging secrets to be kept between staff and children. This goes against basic safeguarding and begins to open loopholes which could be exploited.

Sorry about the essay here, but there are so many differences between the gay rights movement and the current agenda. The concerns of women around some aspects of the trans movement are nothing to do with homophobia, and the homophobia of days gone by is being used as a sort of 'oh, you don't want to end up looking like them do you, you don't want to be on the wrong side of history do you' stick to beat women who have concerns with.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 09:35

As I said, there is absolutely no point answering the question, it's not a question of ignoring it.

Why is there 'no point'? Why don't you just be honest and admit that you don't have an answer?

VerbeenaBeeks · 05/10/2018 09:39

There's no point as you obviously don't accept them as women, that's why there's no point.
Anyone else got any more cute animal pictures? Barry the Bat was cool!

JustBecauseYouAreUniqueDoesNot · 05/10/2018 09:42

Elephant, can you just explain to me how this thread contributes positively to the debate?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385237-I-read-stuff-like-this-and-just-despair?pg=1&order=

My answers to your questions FWIW are that you cannot physically change biology beyond what is medically possible and that distinctions still need to be drawn e.g. in a medical context but that socially I don't mind accepting that TWAW where that is not to the detriment of other women (e.g. I do not think sex offenders should be eligible for movement to women's prisons). But I could not express those views without being piled on over at FWR and when I see a thread like the one linked to above I know that theirs are not views with which I wish to be associated.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 09:43

There's no point as you obviously don't accept them as women, that's why there's no point.

How can you ask me to accept them as women when you cannot give me a definition of woman?!!! Sheesh! Especially as you have said that you accept that transwomen are not biological women. So what kind of 'woman' are they then? What criteria do they fulfil to be 'women'?

These are basic questions. And I think I would be better to answer them back on the other thread as this is totally derailing here.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 09:48

Elephant, can you just explain to me how this thread contributes positively to the debate?

I don't know. Can you explain what a 'non-binary transwoman' is apart from a load of words strung together?

That thread demonstrates perfectly people's increasing frustrations with certain people just making up stuff and claiming it to be universal truth, especially when they are then using it to impact on others. Travis Alabanza claims to be 'non-binary'. Travis thinks that this gives Travis he right to use whichever changing rooms Travis fancies on that day, even when Travis has been told that there are teenage girls in there. Women are pushing back and saying 'no'.

Lichtie · 05/10/2018 09:51

"Especially as you have said that you accept that transwomen are not biological women. So what kind of 'woman' are they then?"

They are the sort of women I would be much happier at sharing a bathroom with than the sort of women you are coming across as.

Elephantinacravat · 05/10/2018 09:58

They are the sort of women I would be much happier at sharing a bathroom with than the sort of women you are coming across as.

I'm glad that you are happy to share a bathroom or changing room or other female space with a transwoman (although you haven't given a qualifying point of transition at which you would be happy to share).

What about women who aren't comfortable sharing with a male bodied person for whatever reason? What about their feelings and boundaries? Do they not matter?

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