To ask how to hide a topic

[LEMtheoriginal]

How can i hide a topic? I kniw how to hide threads but would like tohide a topic?

Thanks

Yay! Thanks.

Off to see the hodgehegs...
And thanks they are pretty cute one of them is called donny Wilson.. as my 4 year old daughter who loves teenage mutant ninja turtles thinks that's what donatello is called

@Gersemi If I could high five you I would. that is EXACTLY it.

Me too!! I was honestly starting to feel that I had lost the plot for thinking like you. I couldn't understand how I could be so wrong.

I am so, so glad for this thread.

Thanks for raising this issue OP. Have hidden Feminism and Brexit!

I hid FWR months ago. There is absolutely no point in even trying to put a different opinion across, because you’re immediately jumped on and chased off.

Self-ID does concern me, but what’s the point in talking about it? Because my views aren’t in line with what FWR deem “the right way” I’m clearly not the right sort of feminist to be discussing it.

I’m late to this (took all day before I had time to read it!) but so glad to see so many who feel the same.

I have also tried at times to put a different view- I started a thread a while ago and it ended up deleted because it just became a string of personal attacks and troll hunting etc against me.

I think it’s really interstjng that difference in opinion on the threads is assumed to be coming from people with sinister motives/ pretending to be people they are not eg men pretending to be women. It mirrors exactly what you (on this thread) are calling the catastrophising (you could even call it paranoia) that the same posters have about trans people. Assumptions of dangerous motives, dishonesty and threat. It’s amazing and disturbingly fascinating how convinced the posters are that they know who/ what the dissenting posters are. Often highlighted by the bizarre ‘I see you’ posts.

I think hiding the threads would be better for me too but I do worry what it must be like for trans people seeing them without any different voices. Rat and others I have really appreciated you keeping going despite the attacks. But I also understand you bowing out.

I've read a lot of these discussions, and the thing that stands out, like a hundred-foot-high fucking billboard with flashing lights and klaxons, is that all of the logic and reason is on one side.

This is a powerful delusion.

Apologies. Wrong thread.

They really don't see it. Just been in. The whole kicking off because stop funding hate is standing by the trans community?
The whole thread. So transphobic. They won't accept it though.
Comments like (paraphrasing as unable to link right now) transwomen are never women and never will be.
I try reasoning. They won't see it though.
No Shit Sherlock when even a Stop Funding Hate page agrees it's hate! Must be a hate is OK as long as it's not my type of hate thing.

Instead, they decided to have a go at a long standing Mnetter for having the temerity to not want a load of trans topics on their Active.

What does the poster being long standing have to do with anything?

isn't

It does make you wonder whether or not they've actually read the consultation document they all bang on about. Their number one fear is all about sex based spaces. The document makes it explicitly clear that sex based spaces will not be infringed upon.

Its all the kind of fear mongering, 'slippery slope' type chat that was so prevelant around gay marriage, etc.

Verbeena, I've read that thread though now.

I think part of the problem is just that very thing you hold to be true: "transwomen are women".

You say it's transphobic to even question this, so of course that thread is transphobic to you.

The problem is, at its heart that's a kindly meant social lie and not a fact.

I'm autistic, many of the posters on FWR are (or at least I've noticed quite a few saying they are). We're not good at social lies, these physically hurt us, and we're more stuck on logic than others.

We're used to not conforming with gender norms and we're used to looking for rules to make sense.

When does male actually become female? When does that become true, what's the switchover point? Is it surgery? Clothes? Special personality? Or a declaration? How do you tell if someone's dysphoric, taking the piss, or massively traumatised or autistic with other problems when just their declaration leads to medical intervention (according to transpeople on FWR)?

Is it ever really possible to switch biological sex on your say-so, and why does no other inner feeling suddenly count in law? Like age or race?

I agree that at the core of FWR is the premise that you cannot really change sex - though it doesn't mean that person no longer exists or that they don't deserve compassion and rights and love and so on.

Most of us used to accept and nod along despite the social lie, but then a massive internet movement has taken that illogical premise and bent it to the point of mass trollery.

The problem is, once you accept the social lie of male becoming truly female, with no distinction at all allowed, then how do you then legally look after females in law and keep some things for them (eg sports) and how do you protect women and transwomen from predatory males using the same vague unverifiable claim to enter female spaces? How do you protect "real" transpeople from actual hatred and attacks?

Sorry for the essay, I know it's not the point of this thread and I have to go to work, but it's hard to be told you're an unthinking evil bigot when it's all so illogical!

Im hiding it too. It gives me a headache.

I'm autistic, many of the posters on FWR are (or at least I've noticed quite a few saying they are). We're not good at social lies, these physically hurt us, and we're more stuck on logic than others

I know people who are both autistic and fully supportive of trans rights, and there are autistic transgendered people (Reid Caplan for example, or Kayden Clarke who was killed by police when experiencing a breakdown caused in part by doctors not understanding his needs or provididing the medical care he required).

I would therefore suggest that the anti-trans views of autistic people on the FWR boards have much less to do with their autism than they do with the beliefs they hold.

There are valid questions to be asked around self-ID and safe spaces, particularly in respect of how you stop men from using seld-ID laws as a means of preying on women. But from my perspective, trans women belong in the category of ‘women who need protected’, not ‘men who might exploit this law’. Unfortunately that simply isn’t a perspective you can share on FWR without receiving an impossibly hostile response.

I try reasoning. They won't see it though.

Oh come on Verbeena. There were several questions asked on that thread that are pretty fundamental to backing up your assertion that transwomen are women (and it's transphobic to say otherwise) that you have just ignored.

Don't come back over onto this thread and say 'oh they are all soooooo transphobic' when you haven't even answered the simplest of questions to back up your argument. It's so disingenuous.

Its all the kind of fear mongering, 'slippery slope' type chat that was so prevelant around gay marriage, etc.

Sorry, I don't remember gay people demanding that the whole world believe that they are something they are not? I don't remember gay people giving out propaganda to kids that if they like certain things and want to present in a certain way, then that identity might mean that there is something wrong with them that needs correcting? I don't remember gay people silencing or threatening anyone (well any woman)? I don't remember gay people telling anyone to 'enjoy ur erasure'?

Stop being batty im getting bored of my own thread!

Aside from dismissing one of my premises for discussion on those boards, you haven't answered any of my questions AuntBeastie.

And yes - there is a huge correlation between autism and trans. It worries me and others hugely.

Sorry to bore you Lem. I just hate being called names when they're not warranted.

I'm not anti-trans either. I used to identify as a boy FFS. I spent 3 years living with a fake name which my parents and close friends humoured me with.

I was actually undiagnosed autistic and unable to deal with other girls or the expectations of femininity.

Thank all that is holy that I'm not eight years old now, being told that I'm actually male, and on the way to drugs and a lifetime of sterility.

AuntBessie what’s the matter with them being ‘men who need to be protected’? As that’s what they are, men some at any rate, men who do not fit into the social norms of masculinity.

As for the accusations of paranoia, would you look into the faces of those four women who were sexually assaulted by Karen White and say that? At least those who have flagged this concern up can know themselves not to be complicit in their assault. The TWAW crows are actively complicit in their asasault, if it hadn’t been for all the ‘poor Tara Hudson (head butted a barman so badly he needed extensive surgery, and still had a fully intact ‘seven inch surprise’) shouldn’t be in a man’s prison’ crowd (including Caroline Lucas) there would have been no question of Karen White, serial rapist and paedophile, being placed in a women’s prison.

As I said upthread, the problem with TWAW is that it allows those with evil intent somewhere to hide and flourish.
It’s also feeding vulnerable people the lie that they can actually change sex. What a terrible thing to say to someone who is already struggling, to feed them this monstrous lie. And then to tell everyone else, I’ve just told this vulnerable person a monstrous lie but it’ll only work if you all tell them it too, and if you refuse to tell this vulnerable person this monstrous lie I’m going to make sure laws are out in place to force you.

Surely, surely far better to get them the support (mental health) they need that doesn’t involve untested medication that causes sterility, surgically removing healthy body parts, and lies. And as a side effect, not afford the rapists and paedophiles cover for their activities.

I think some posters aren't understanding the point of hiding topics!
That bat.😍 I love bats. Thank you LEM, happy Friday.

BAT!!!!!! We used to have a bat or two that visited our garden each evening. Amazing to watch them. I also once found a bat crawling round the floor at a leisure centre with a bit of thread wrapped round its leg. Yep I had to do a vet run for the bat. Safely released later that day.