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[LEMtheoriginal]

How can i hide a topic? I kniw how to hide threads but would like tohide a topic?

Thanks

They made every man on earth sound like a vile creature. And if your in happy relationship he must be secretly hiding sone deviant behaviour. Was unreal!

@FenellaMaxwellsPony

Absolutely agree.

I took part in the discussions myself a long time ago, before I realised trying to pierce in was like throwing a pineapple at a wall of concrete. I have a great number of trans friends, who are the sweetest, kindest, loveliest people. It just broke my heart to watch the way they were being derided.

I've been wanting to hide certain topics for ages. Thank you for making it happen

Trans is absolutely not being conflated with paedophile and sex offender. Please back up a statement like that if you are going to make it. Or do you mean it is unacceptable for women to discuss newsworthy cases of transwomen who happen to be those things? Because that’s wrong. When you read the relationships board, do you say fathers are being conflated with cheaters? Lazy thinking.
Go on and dance into self id like Theresa May on stage yesterday. Let’s pray that you are right and no harm will come of it, despite the fact that men harm women every single day.

"And for all the back patting about how intelligent and unique the discourse is there, much of it boils down to the same stuff being virtually c&p’d, and if all else fails, a repeated demand that the person they are arguing with ‘defines what is a woman’ "

This, exactly.

Trans is absolutely not being conflated with paedophile and sex offender.

Well, I'm afraid to tell you that a good many of us think that's exactly what's happening. By evidence I give you... the whole board.

Perhaps you truly believe that conflating the two is not the intention, but your opinion that it is not the result is no more valid than my opinion that IT IS.

Trans is absolutely not being conflated with paedophile and sex offender.

Then there shouldn’t be a problem with which loos they use... should there?

Maybe I’ll start watching the Olympics and Wimbledon again. Will be interesting to see women battle it out with transwomen.

Go on and dance into self id like Theresa May on stage yesterday

OMFG thats it isnt it Theresa may is a man!!

It's the warped logic that gets me - they say they want all transpeople treated with respect but then go on to say that trans women should not use the women's toilets (so forcing a trans woman fully dressed and clearly looking like a woman to use the men's toilet is treating her with respect?).

They cite cases where some men have committed crimes against women by abusing the self ID system. These incidents are truly abhorrent and there clearly is a massive problem with self ID but how you can use individual cases and then extrapolate them to develop a policy for an entire class of people I don't understand. You can't say some women did this so we will stop all women from doing it, or some black people did this so all black people will be viewed as a risk.

There appears to be no issue with trans men, only trans women and then it very quickly becomes clear that the problem is simply with men. That's it. Not trans women, not trans men, not even really self ID. Just men, even when they have husbands and sons.

Trans is absolutelynotbeing conflated with paedophile and sex offender. Please back up a statement like that if you are going to make it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383823-who-is-the-driving-force-behind-the-trans-agenda

There you go. Scroll down and you will find the statement
'pedophiles are benefitting massively.'
On the first page. This thread is still active.

Obviously the rest of the virtuous and kind FWR people are up in arms, challenging that dangerous and hateful conflation...

Oh wait.

Noone's batted an eyelid.

People are perfectly welcome to come onto FWR and put across coherent arguments as to why transwomen should be included in the definition of woman. They really are.

I don't think this is the issue. The problem is that you can't go onto a trans thread and express any view that mildly dissents from the majority opinion without starting a pile-on. But one of my main issues with them is that they are so fucking tedious; not because of the subject itself, but because they constantly recycle the same stuff. As a direct result of the fact that they drive out any contrary views, they end up becoming an echo-chamber.

Oh and why would you even care what toilets they use. Last time i checked womens toilets have cubicles. I dont care if mr universe is having a piddle in the next one!

It's probably no surprise that as a user of the FWR board that I don't see the trans discussion happening there the same way as some of you do, and it saddens me that some of you feel the way you do.

I truly do want to discuss and understand where you are coming from on the trans issue. For me, I'm not seeking to be anti trans but simply pro women in protecting our sex.

For those of you with crappy experience of the board, I'm sorry that you had that experience, but as others have said, we're looking for more than "trans women are women. No debate."

Or do you mean it is unacceptable for women to discuss newsworthy cases of transwomen who happen to be those things? Because that’s wrong.

That might work if there was anything like the same level of discussion of news reports of non-trans people who are paedophiles and sex offenders. Because there clearly isn't, despite the massively greater numbers involved.

Arrrgghh my thread has turned into a trans debate

Here us a picture of a cute baby hedgehog to lighten the mood. Hes called steve and is actually quite feisty!

Looks like the thread moved on whilst I was doing my slow one handed typing.

You'd know why we care about toilets if you'd actually engaged with the discussion, if we are saying the same thing and being an echo chamber, what are we saying and why do you think it's wrong?

we're looking for more than "trans women are women. No debate.

Are you seriously suggesting that that is the only issue that people on the FWR boards have with dissenters? You only have to look upthread to the people who instantly conflated OP with anti-suffragists to see that that is not true.

and if all else fails, a repeated demand that the person they are arguing with ‘defines what is a woman’ "

What is wrong with asking for a definition of woman?

G'day Steve :)

I dont care if mr universe is having a piddle in the next one!

I'm happy for you @LEMtheoriginal, I really am. But can you not imagine reasons why other women wouldn't be happy? Would be downright fearful, anxious, terrified even?

Do we throw those many women under the bus, for the sake of a few?

Steve is adorable! Thanks OP

@Gersemi no, not at all, I was referring only to the definition of woman point.

I hadn't seen the anti suffragist comments, and that isn't necessarily my view, because I don't believe that people who disagree with me on these things don't care about women and women's rights. They just don't perceive the threat to women the same way we do.

Doesn't mean they are wrong but I want to understand why you think we are.

Believe me, Frankenterfer, I have tried to engage. And, despite coming from the stance that I don't agree with self-identification, I have still found myself the target of a pile-on for expressing the view that trans people don't deserve to be demonised, let alone for such crimes as suggesting that trans women are using women's toilets daily without women even knowing, let alone being harmed.

@Gersemi

I completely agree.

If you do post you get multiple posters attacking you, firing questions at you and calling you names.

Doesn't matter how many points you answer they will home in on one that you didn't and hound you over it or do the " bait and switch". Question you about 1 point, then when you answer they say " yes but what about this?" and then take you off on a completely different path without even thinking about your answer.

I'm convinced that their issue isn't with the trans issue which is why they aren't willing to discuss ways that the issue can be accommodated. The problem that they have is with men and that appears to be all men.

If you dare to say that you don't feel uncomfortable about something well that's like showing a red rag to a bull. The stock answer is " lucky you but some women do have a problem and you should be standing up for those women, not chucking them under the bus". I'm not stupid, nor insensitive, and I fully understand that some women have been treated very very badly by some men and that these women will have a very different view to the one that I have. I don't understand how you can allow that view to form rules about all men though? My local high street is being targeted by a gang of pickpockets. They are becoming a very big problem because they are so prolific. CCTV images released show a group of women of Eastern European women committing the offences. Can we therefore say that we can be suspicious of all Eastern European women and ban them from the shops and our high street because we can't know if they are part of the innocent majority or a member of this gang? Clearly you can't do this and nor should you think about doing this yet it's fine when talking about the trans issue apparently?