AIBU to say this person shouldn't be allowed...

[ScienceIsTruth]

...to call themselves a woman. Not when they've committed such an awful, usually male, crime. Why are sane people enabling this shit?
I think I'm ready to get off this planet, if it carries on like this.

metro.co.uk/2018/10/01/trans-woman-pretended-to-be-a-boy-to-groom-a-girl-7994533/

Where is the line ? A person's sex is the line and is one that cannot, should not, must not be crossed.

Absolute joke.

Wait a minute, so we can't misgender the "good" trans folk, but can misgender the ones we don't like????

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to comment in case it's against MN rules to misgender this child rapist.

I was wondering if anyone had spotted this.

This will be recorded as a female sex offender too.

But yeah, if you believe transwomen are women, then you really haven't got an argument to say this one isn't.

That's the problem with self-ID.

Sarahjconnor

Christ you couldn't make it up. The police contacting someone who's posted online that they'd seen 'someone's' cock and balls.

I am so glad to see this in AIBU
And I hope that mumsnetters that haven’t previously been aware of the issue are as concerned as we on FWB are,

I will sort it

Trans women are men
They are not women

This is a man
He is not a woman

A wig and lipstick (or a feeling or a 'say so') do not a woman make

There you are... as I said
Sorted

No grey areas

No problem

Waits now to be told off

@Sarahjconnor did they check if the person you refer to did indeed possess a penis and testicles, then, to decide if you missexed misgendered them or not?

I don’t really understand all this trans stuff. I don’t get out much, I live in the sticks and I usually try and avoid most social media. I simply don’t understand how someone this obviously dangerous is allowed to have a say in what gender he wants to be. Surely imprisoning him to take away his rights means taking away his whim to be a woman whilst it suits him?

@Sarahjconnor that is just awful - haven't they got anything better to do than waste their time with a woman who said she saw a cock and balls? Fuck sake!!!

@misscockerspaniel I agree with you.

@Ffsnosexallowed it seems so!

This might be a bit philosophical for this thread, so apologies if it is, but I have been thinking about the logical basis for accepting self-ID and the extension that it is a crime to misgender someone. It seems to me that this is only possible if our legal system and our society accepts a dualistic understanding of human identity, such as that espoused by Descartes. This means rejecting all monistic theories, such as the biological materialism. This is a really big deal, with massive repercussions across many areas of academia

Like actual crimes ihatepeppapig
Jeez Sarah fuckin* unbelievable

You can't have it both ways. Either you accept all men under the principles of self id or none. Welcome to self Id. Coming to a changing room/ hospital ward/ public toilet/ refuge near you.

This means rejecting ... biological materialism. This is a really big deal, with massive repercussions

Yep. It affects everything. How we understand ourselves & our world, how our societies are structured and administrated - everything. It means accepting that we have a "soul", for want of a better word, which overrides everything physical. Kids are already being taught this in school. It's on the verge of being codified in law (go here to make your views heard: fairplayforwomen.com/full_guide/ )

The last time this country was ruled according to dualistic principles was in the Middle Ages; we all know how well that worked for women - and a lot of men, too. At least they recognised women & men as two separate sexes though. If this gets into full swing, there won't actually be any words for the two sexes. Man, boy, male are supposed to mean "feels like a man" which is dictated by whether you fit the current gender stereotype of male. If you don't fit either stereotype, you're some in-between nonbinary genderqueer creature of no particular sex.

This part interests me (in a grimly horrified way) because the groups teaching what the stereotypes look like, and guiding children towards their self-diagnoses, are extremely biased and have changed the shape of this teaching rapidly, year by year. It's almost like they're setting themselves up as the arbiters of what "gender" people are. Like those voodoo priests & shamen who dictate the course of their flocks' lives by divining their spirits.

I could ramble on, sorry! But somebody's probably posted a more academic take by now, so I'll wait and see what other people say.

That's frightening, Sarahjconnor, in a 1984 way. Very sinister. I hope nothing came of it.

Exactly, BiologyMatters, that's exactly it. At the moment, they want it both ways: you're trans if you say you are, but if you get caught breaking the law then it's " oh well, they weren't really trans anyway!" Same with those that de-transition.

I have just come on to say the future looks very dangerous for women, girls and those who have gone through gender realignment surgery.

The prospect that blokes may soon able to, legally, self ID as a women, when it suits him, is nothing short of horrific!

I’d like to ask Eammon Holmes if he thinks this “woman” should be in a woman’s prison because he “feels like a woman”. it should be fine, according to Eamonn. It’s what the man feels like that counts.