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AIBU to say this person shouldn't be allowed...

162 replies

ScienceIsTruth · 01/10/2018 17:51

...to call themselves a woman. Not when they've committed such an awful, usually male, crime. Why are sane people enabling this shit?
I think I'm ready to get off this planet, if it carries on like this.

metro.co.uk/2018/10/01/trans-woman-pretended-to-be-a-boy-to-groom-a-girl-7994533/

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VickyEadie · 01/10/2018 19:28

Still waiting for someone to come and explain why it’s sheer transphobic bigotry to even think of questioning this individual’s womanhood...

Something something 'I'm sick of all this anti-trans propaganda...you're all bigots...etc'

ButchyRestingFace · 01/10/2018 19:29

It's my belief that they are feminine men.

Not even sure I'd go that far. Confused

VickyEadie · 01/10/2018 19:29

But this is self-ID. Either self declaration is for all or it is for none. According to Stonewall, this person is a woman.

Yep - you can't pick and choose, it's all of them.

Sarahjconnor · 01/10/2018 19:31

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BesmirchingMotherhood · 01/10/2018 19:33

It's a man. DNA testing would tell you that.

Eyes would tell you that.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 01/10/2018 19:34

YANBU this is another case showing the massive holes in the idea of self ID. Absolutely rediculous!

donquixotedelamancha · 01/10/2018 19:38

It's not really a case of being 'allowed'. They aren't a woman. That is all there is to it.

Stonewall would disagree with you. They would say that he is a woman as soon as he says so. They wish to make that law (well, there'd be a form to fill in). The conservative government intend to bring this law forward- the consultation on this ends shortly.

consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/

Stonewall would argue that the current law makes it illegal to use his previous name or refer to him as 'him' instead of 'her' (I don't actually think this is true- but it's a feasible interpretation). They would describe that metro article as a hate crime.

[MNHQ I am usually very respectful of people's desired pronouns but in this case a) I don't know his b) he's a would be child rapist so fuck him.]

Sarahjconnor · 01/10/2018 19:40

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Ffsnosexallowed · 01/10/2018 19:40

I'm waiting for mnhq to come and delete all the threads which misgender him.

Ariclock · 01/10/2018 19:40

Yanbu, the world has gone mad Sad

VickyEadie · 01/10/2018 19:42

I'm waiting for mnhq to come and delete all the threads which misgender him.

Ah - they won't in this case! We've already been told over on FWR that we can call this appalling excuse for a human being what he is - a man.

Sarahjconnor (above) posted that comment on the thread on FWR where we were discussing the fact that (apparently) we can't call a TW a man - unless they're sex offenders. Or some of them, at any rate.

Molokonono · 01/10/2018 19:43

You do have to put past names on a dbs check

Possibly not for much longer.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/trans-offender-seeks-to-wipe-crimes-as-aman-from-record-qfk5w68lb

PiperPublickOccurrences · 01/10/2018 19:44

But this is self-ID. Either self declaration is for all or it is for none. According to Stonewall, this person is a woman.

In a nutshell. And should Jacinta be a police officer rather than on the other side of the law they'd be allowed to perform a cavity search on you.

But to say you're not OK with that makes you a transphobe,

CocoDeMoll · 01/10/2018 19:46

Peaking themselves peeps. Peaking themselves.

Juells · 01/10/2018 19:47

I'm waiting for the usual "Oh for God's sake, not another trans thread, keep it in FWR you bigots"

VickyEadie · 01/10/2018 19:47

And should Jacinta be a police officer rather than on the other side of the law they'd be allowed to perform a cavity search on you.

But to say you're not OK with that makes you a transphobe,

Apparently. I'm waiting for the 'why are you making a fuss about that? I'm fine with any random bloke like Jacinta who calls himself a woman doing a cavity search on me...' brigade to turn up.

ToeToToe · 01/10/2018 19:51

YANDBU.

This mass gaslighting of us all has to stop.

That is a MAN.

TalkingintheDark · 01/10/2018 19:55

I'm waiting for the 'why are you making a fuss about that? I'm fine with any random bloke like Jacinta who calls himself a woman doing a cavity search on me...' brigade to turn up.

Me too, Vicky. Me too.

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 01/10/2018 19:55

I don't comment on trans threads generally but agree entirely that he is a man. Not a trans woman, nor anything else. Just an awful, paedophile man.

Estellesylvia · 01/10/2018 20:00

I honestly thought this would be beyond the pale for even the most idiotic woketivists, but no, women are actually being scolded on Twitter for misgendering Jacinta;

mobile.twitter.com/OldAristocles/status/1046806660642217990

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 01/10/2018 20:01

What about the other way around? So this guy gets arrested and they need to do an intimate search does that mean some poor woman police officer has to get up close and personal with him??

PiperPublickOccurrences · 01/10/2018 20:04

Probably, Carrots. With Jacinta screaming TRANSPHOBE should a woman be less than willing to search around Jacinta's "lady penis".

Genevieva · 01/10/2018 20:04

@Sarahjconnor the line is quite clearly drawn by their DNA.

We need biological realism. Man and woman were always biological terms until the 21st century. Gender is a social construct that has no empirical or logical basis. Most of these social constructs have been designed to subjugate women and limit their roles in society. The transgender agenda is the latter incarnation of that, because it seeks to erase the very meaning of the word 'woman' and replace it with something that has no biological foundation and no relationship with the experiences that unite biological women.

I am sympathetic to the needs to people with dysphoria and I have no problem with people wearing whatever the want to wear. I will never accept the erosion of sex-segragated space for women, whether they are in prisons, refuges or competitive sporting events, to name a few.

ButchyRestingFace · 01/10/2018 20:07

I was questioned for a hate crime when I referred to seeing a trans woman's 'cock and balls' on MN. The Police questioned me! I need to know where the line is.

Sorry, I'm confused. Confused

Do you mean that you posted on MN about seeing a trans person's 'cock and balls' and as a result the police turned up at your door?

Genevieva · 01/10/2018 20:07

Please excuse my typing errors. I really must learn to press preview. It should read latest incarnation and needs of people with genuine dysphoria.