Girl sat in blood soaked clothes after being told she couldnt go to the toilet and would require a £15 toilet pass.

[HelenaDove]

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FFS! What is wrong with some people And a £15 toilet pass. Misogyny and sex discrimination.

Two staff members also asked her what action the doctor was going to take to lighten her doctors flow.

Im absolutely furious reading this Im sorry if there already is a thread. I couldnt see one.

I thought vile excuse for human being teachers like kirstybabe were no longer in teaching after some of the misery I endured as a child with an undiagnosed bladder condition.
I still remember the fear, misery and humiliation now.
But maybe there are still bullying cunts like that in the classroom.
I’m hoping not

So they do see a doctor and we say " yes you have detrussor instability ( or in layman's terms an over active bladder) or yes you have menorrhagia (heavy periods).
Both of these conditions are very common in women of child bearing age, the majority of women manage them without medication (which has side effects). That changes things how exactly ?

Other than making the young person feel like a freak and/ or unnecessarily medicalising a perfectly normal physiological state.

Funnily enough when I have suggested to kids that if they are struggling to hold on until break they ought to see a doctor they stop asking.

So when you humiliate a child by suggesting that a normal physical reaction is a physical illness they suffer in silence? Good job! You sound genuinely awful. I'm so glad no teachers at DC's school are like you!

I didn't punish her just stuck to the rules which is no toilet during class time.

What a jobsworth.

20 mins and 2 hours plus are different. Can you not see that?

And how do we not know the girl cries wolf and says she needs the toilet every lesson?

A) just because she wants the loo every lesson she may not be crying wolf, what a nasty thing to say
B) as a teacher empathy should be a requirement, sad to see it isn’t
C) teachers are able to monitor such situations

Kirstybabe - assuming you're genuine (which I'm not entirely convinced of) you need to learn some biology! Some people need to move their bowels shortly after eating, in some there's a medical reason and it may be triggered by certain types of food. They may not have pinned down exactly which yet. Some it's a genetic issue due to musculature. Some it may be they're coming down with an upset stomach.

Equally even if that wasn't the case that she was CLEARLY needing to go for 2 HOURS is appalling - perfect way to give her a uti (which adolescent girls are prone to) by not letting her go.

Frankly such a decision is idiotic and cruel!

Just because she COULD hold it doesn't mean she SHOULD!

How would you have dealt with me re periods? I was painfully shy as a child and would've been too embarrassed to say to a teacher I was having my period, but due to endo (which wasn't diagnosed for 14 YEARS despite repeated trips to GP's describing TEXTBOOK endo symptoms - and it's not much better now!) I had a very heavy flow necessitating changing tampon AND pad hourly?

"School children in this country are some of the most anxious and stressed in the eu. Maybe these ridiculous rules need to be discarded and our education system be overhauled and modenised?" Absolutely agree with this and it's not because schools in other countries are less disciplined/strict, but generally speaking the rules elsewhere are more sensible!

Can I make a plea to the Drs on this thread NOT to dismiss girls or women who have heavy periods as just unlucky'? It's rarely true and it's unacceptable that Drs (male and female) are STILL ignoring patients TELLING them there's a problem!

Of course it’s not suitable to make a child wait for 2 hours to go to the toilet! WTF is wrong with you??!!!!

Have any of your students ever wet or soiled themselves because you wouldn’t let them go to the bathroom, Kirsty? And if they haven’t yet, they sure enough will at some point. How will you deal with that? And the bullying and ridiculing from their classmates that will surely follow.

Do you have kids yourself?

Amazing that people are still engaging despite earlier warnings.

Some of them CAN'T wait. I can't, when I need to go, I need to go now. And, even if you think they're crying wolf, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. Just because you've got the bladder of a camel, you should sympathise with those who haven't.

There’s a happy medium somewhere between letting someone out of a lesson in a split second and making them wait until they are about to burst.

If a student asks to go out in the first five minutes, it’s not unreasonable to make them wait - they should have gone before the lesson, and will miss the input.

Schools that have toilet pass systems presumably have a lot of problems in the toilets, and they can’t provide the level of supervision required to prevent these problems. I also hear that lots of schools keep their toilets locked during lesson times.

I know which students have medical issues where they can go whenever. In all my years of teaching in a girls’ school, I can’t recall anyone asking to be let out because of their period.

If anyone asks to go, I will usually stall them for about 10 minutes - if they are desperate, they will make that known to me, either verbally or non-verbally. I also never let more than one student out at a time. They know this and are prepared to wait.

I don’t think I’m an ogre.

As with any of these tabloid stories, we only have one side of it.

@kirstybabe If children didn't need permission they would be in and out the room constantly.

Hmmm we didn't need permission when I was at school and funnily enough kids were still in classes and most of the year passed their exams.

I don't have a teen/pre-teen daughter but if I did, I would make it very clear to her that if she disobeyed a teacher (especially a male teacher) to go the toilet, I would support her all the way.

Sadly academies are a law unto themselves, so if we were unlucky enough to have one close by, we'd probably be looking for another school. However, my ds' school is strict but the headteacher is not unreasonable and I am sure a solution would be found.

To be honest, if my son told me he'd wet himself because a teacher told him he couldn't go to the loo, I'd be very nearly as annoyed. But stopping girls going to the loo smacks of sexism.

In all my years of teaching in a girls’ school, I can’t recall anyone asking to be let out because of their period

They're hardly going to say so in front of a class of kids are they?

What a dreadful story. Poor girl. She won't forget this one.

I do get that there can be piss taking by a minority of students, but blanket and draconian rules about toilet use really help nobody. Common sense is required, always.

I once read a thread on here where a teacher was so determined to stick to the rules that a girl who had told him she needed to go because of a heavy period was told to hold it in.

This school seems to be of the same ilk.

Thankfully I doubt Kirsty has ever been near a classroom except in his perverse wanking dreams

Kirstybabe also seems to be of that ilk.

CraftyGin
Teachers didn’t let children out during lessons when I was at school. Or very rarely so I didn’t ask to leave the room during lessons due to my period. I waited til the end I’d the lesson and hoped I hadn’t bled everywhere. My knickers were often soaked but I was lucky that the first day of my period was far lighter than the next two. I did, however, get very ill and pass out or get close to it. We were just expected to get in with it especially as my mother didn’t bother to investigate pain relief for me.

I don’t think a child will tell you they have their period.