Couple charged with assault for trying to buy water in Rochdale Tesco

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Obviously don’t know the full facts, but the photos
Show the police being pretty heavy handed.

They look Muslim, so presume don’t drink alcohol, they have regularly buy the water from other branches of Tesco.
This behaviour by the police looks like the sort of treatment meted out by racist officers towards African Americans in the US.

I am disgusted by the thuggish behaviour of the police and I hope Mr. Hussain succeeds in his complaint to the PCC.

Well you obviously didn't listen to the end. When he was down on the floor? @Soup

After he’d got aggressive and they’d probably needed to call for more support?

The initial involvement of the police came from him.

I doubt she is drinking that water in school, most school have a plain water only policy unless she is swigging it at lunch.

And if she gets a conviction it will impact on her career.

This thread is full of people screeching about way-cism. How predictable

I just received an email from Change.org thanking me for signing the petition for this Tesco couple. I absolutely did not sign this and have removed my 'signature' (email address.)

So watch out. They are fraudulently adding signatures to the online petition.

They are fraudulently adding signatures to the online petition

Thoroughly good citizens all round then

There's gaps in the video, but you can see how it was starting to escalate.

They could have split up and gone to two different tills. 20 bottles each and then come the next day.

If you genuinely feel that you are being assaulted by the police, the natural human instinct is to lash out to protect yourself. If for example, a police officer started punching your wife in the face repeatedly, I think any reasonable person would accept that it would be normal to do whatever was required to make them stop. In a scenario where it is not quite 'punching the face' but it is body slamming a person into a wall and floor when all that was happening was a verbal disagreement, then I would not be surprised if someone lashed out in instinctive self-defense. In this scenario, I would want to absolutely support a citizen's right to self-defense. Not every police officer acts appropriately. In a situation where people are getting heated about filming in a supermarket, for a police officer to end up body slamming the man into the wall and ground and then another physically dragging the female partner across the ground and shoving her against the wall to cuff her, I would suggest that those officers are not only poorly trained but also out of control. If private citizens have to fear for their safety for merely getting into a heated discussion, then we ALL should be worried. In a situation with no weapons, drugs or genuine threat to anyone's safety, a well-trained officer should be able to diffuse the situation without resorting to American style attack actions.

Against walls and on the floor are the best place to control and handcuff someone. And if they lash out in “self defence” then that is resisting arrest. They are being arrested, not having a square go with someone.

There is no exessive forces used in the clip we have seen.

But I’m loving that everyone is an expert in arrest and restraint techniques even though they have never had to do it........

Tesco had a 10bottle limit, they refused to accept this policy, the police where called over due to their behaviour. They assaulted a police officer and got arrested.

They also have a shop so no doubt hoping to sell on at an inflated price.

And if someone is resisting arrest then yes having their front against a solid object (floor/wall/car bonnet) is the way it’s done.

That video is outrageous. Clearly the man is out to make a point of some sort.

What he feels to grasp is that any shop can refuse to sell him an item, without a reason. So he has no rights to buy anything and they are within their rights to ask him to leave.

He should have left when he was asked. No arguments, no trying to prove a point.

The fact that the video stops and starts means that we can't see what he did to provoke the police. From what I saw the police were pushed into that response by his behaviour. They must have the patience of a saint to deal with that every day.

anrolnotrom. Totally agree with your post, particularly I would suggest that those officers are not only poorly trained but also out of control and a well trained officer should be able to diffuse the situation without resorting to American style attack actions

From what I saw the police were pushed into that response by his behaviour. Exactly, "that response" shouldn't happen. Must be poor training. They must have the patience of a saint to deal with that every day. He didn't deal with it though, did he? He took a swing at the head.

tilly tell me how you would deal with two struggling arrestees? I'm genuinely curious as you have no idea about home office approved officer safety techniques.

@tillytop

He was struggling and resisting. All I saw was the police officer trying to contain him. I love the way that the video stops and starts. I wonder what is missing during the breaks?

And quite why the woman was yelling " stop punching me" when all that was happening was handcuffs being put on I have no idea.

The police behaved very professionally from what I saw in the video.

If private citizens have to fear for their safety for merely getting into a heated discussion, then we ALL should be worried

If it really was over no more than "a heated discussion" I'd worry too - but we don't know that do we?

And if that's all it was, and they wished to suggest the police over-reacted to nothing much at all, why not leave the video to run instead of editing out selected bits?

"Home office approved"? That makes it even more of a concern! Agree with anolnotrom. If private citizens have to fear for their safety for merely getting into a heated discussion, then we ALL should be worried

tilly No answer on how you would restrain them? And remember that all the training in the world won’t make a difficult arrest go to plan.

I don't understand why ordinary members of the public are constantly being asked how they would restrain people? Are you hoping for some tips?

@Nicknacky since you're about, please can I ask what the situation's likely to be around bodycams here?

It's just that I've no idea if they're worn all the time, or only for selected call-outs ...

Because you are the one that is convinced the way they are doing it is wrong. I don’t need tips. Had more struggles with prisoners than I care to remember, some prettier than others and some that looked like this.

puzzled I have no idea, my force don’t use them although some divisions did trial them for a while. There is no word on my force getting them and I doubt they will.

The fact that there may be some actual police officers on here that agree with that police behaviour, is also very concerning. But there again, home office approved so it must be ok.