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9 months on I am grieving for the loss of my son - he has gone NC on us

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birdladyfromhomealone · 25/09/2018 15:00

I will try not to drip feed, but I am devastated that our son has chosen to cut us out of his life.
Every night I go to sleep thinking about him and wake up in the morning with a pit in my stomach.
I have spoken to him several times since Feb on his terms, when he will allow me to but he refuses to meet us, as he says it will just be another arguement.
Our DS met his DW at uni 11 years ago, she is from a different culture but born here.
For 5 years she kept our DS secret from her family, she had to go home EVERY weekend. Even though she was living with our DS, having a relationship with us, lived with us whilst they flat hunted, holiday's, meals out, staying over etc
She was treated very well by us and was one of the family. Me and my 2 DD and her used to go for spa days, nights out etc .
We all got on.
Then my DS proposed with my DM engagement ring .
A huge diamond with rubies,
We arranged to have it made into a solitare and the rubies into earrings.
This was a huge thing for me to pass on my DM ring, I wanted my DS to give it to her as we loved her.
After they got engaged she told her family and my DS was welcomed into their family ( she said it would destroy her family for her to be with a white man)
Her parents arranged 2 weddings one for their religion and one civil white wedding.
We felt like guests at our sons wedding.
We were told what to wear and how and when to behave.
The next day 40 of the brides family turned up at ours for lunch. We invited her immediate family only.
I told my son off and he got very emotional. I admit I was cross
After that things were never the same.
A year after they got married he gave up a city job in London to work for her father, moved 300miles and moved in with them.
He told us 3 weeks before he moved although they had been planning it for months.
They then bought a house just down the road so she still sees her family daily.
I bought them a surprise of some furniture for their new home, she refused to let the delivery driver take it off the van.
We then had a huge row as she said I disrespected her.
We have not seen them since.
My DH told our DS it had made us ill.
My DH has gone on antidepressants and I have been diagnosed with stomach ulcers.
Our DS reacted very badly to be told this and said he does not have a DF anymore.
Our 2 DD are stuck in the middle as they still see their DB and DSIL (once or twice since) but cant try to resolve this for our family as DS goes off on one if our names are mentioned.
For the last 11 yrs we have been a very close family, holidays, nights out, weekend breaks.
We are devastated by this but there is no talking to our DS he hangs up on us or ignores messages.

OP posts:
LifeInPlastic · 25/09/2018 17:10

The furniture delivery is really odd. I think most people would want to choose their own furniture, not be gifted a lot of expensive stuff out of the blue (that someone else had chosen). Vouchers as a housewarming gift might have been better received.
I get that the brunch thing was annoying, but some people have large close families and in some cultures would simply share what they have, and not count heads. I would say it’s possible you caused upset and hurt to both your DIL and DS by your reaction, in what may have been a very tricky situation (at the time) with her family. The fact that your son is now so welcome with DIL’s family is fantastic. Why wouldn’t you want him to be on good terms with them? Being parents/parents in law isn’t an either or choice. It’s natural that they might want to move be closer to her family. This of itself wouldn’t mean they feel any less of you. Your reactions (and arguably a need to control) are unfortunately what seem to have caused the ill feeling.
Please do stop blaming your son and DIL for your ailments, or used by them to manipulate the situation. It will only exacerbate existing tensions.
Take a step back, stop trying to force contact. Any contact now needs to come from your son, and you will need to take it at his and DIL’s pace if they do decide they want to re-establish contact.
Look at the reasons they’ve gone NC. If you can’t address those, it’s never going to work.

Cornishclio · 25/09/2018 17:10

I do think that maybe you overstepped the line by telling your DS off both about the wedding, where you were guests and the lunch where his in laws turned up.

As for sending furniture that is seriously not on. Offering to pay for something they choose is something else. Maybe what you picked out is not what they wanted.

Telling your DS that he is making you both ill smacks of manipulation too. I don't think you can make this better to be honest unless they decide that they want a relationship with you. You admit your DS gets emotional and cross when you try and contact him so there is no point in going there. They have their own lives which you cannot control.

mypointofview · 25/09/2018 17:11

The OP's DS could also have been forgiven for thinking, when realising that 40 guests considered themselves immediate family rather than 12, 'Thank fuck my mother's a professional caterer.'

kally195 · 25/09/2018 17:11

birdladyfromhomealone I just wanted to make it clear that I in no way think that you have any sort of issue with the fact that your DIL is from a different culture (I think you've only mentioned it for context). Another poster has hijacked your thread to push their own agenda. I still think you have boundary issues, but they are far easier to solve!

LolaPickle · 25/09/2018 17:12

OH OP it sounds awful for you

I understand it is making you ill and anxious.

To be honest my best advice is taking a step back and focus on you and your husband for a while.

From the brides POV - I would not be impressed if my MIL decided to send her choice of furniture over to my house...I want to furnish MY house in MY taste- I'd find that a bit suffocating tbh. But only because I want my own taste around me, not because it was my mother in law. I can see why this may cause upset for both you and her. I think you overstepped but I think she over over-reacted using the word 'disrespected' as its obvious it came from a good place

Stop with the guilt trips about being ill. I know you don't realize it or mean it, but it is passive aggressive. YOU are making me ill.
I'm sorry to say that though and i'm sure it comes from a good place in your heart, you just want to be back in contact with him

You say you felt like 'guests' at your sons wedding. Well you were. It wasn't your day..I don't understand the sentiment really

Your son is giving you a loud and clear message at the minute - to back off, take a step back. That is what he wants - for now.

I don't mean permanently, but don't ring and text or... if he rings you don't mention how ill you feel etc...just be casual and be pleased to hear from him

If I was in this situation, next time I would make contact is at Christmas and send over a card and a small gift

Your son is healthy, safe, he has a wife, a roof over his head etc. There are worse things

I am sorry you are in this situation x

garethsouthgatesmrs · 25/09/2018 17:13

I agree with other posters it sounds like you have been quite interfering and controlling. I wonder if your son has told you this? You never said what the actual reason he gave was.

I think you are unable to see how what you are doing Is wrong but if you want a relationship with him I suggest you try and see it from his pov. I would then suggest a letter apologising. Don't be PA and martyrish about it just say sorry. If they can read a subtext they won't respond positively. I wouldn't make any requests in your later just make it an apology and tell your son your door is ALWAYS open and that you will do your best to stay out of his relationship if he wants to repair his relationship with you he will respond

LolaPickle · 25/09/2018 17:13

Just for the record, OP is not saying she is unhappy about the culture of her DIL

Some people are talking tosh

I don't know anyone who would be pissed off about it

SweetSummerchild · 25/09/2018 17:13

@mypointofview shhh - you don’t want to be accused of being a viper.

theOtherPamAyres · 25/09/2018 17:13

Just read some more of your threads, OP. For instance, there is a thread about being jealous when your daughter chose to involve her mother in law in preparations for her wedding.

I now get a sense of how you react when not the centre of attention, and when your children aren't beholden and suitably grateful to you for paying the bills.

You need to address these traits, I think.

mypointofview · 25/09/2018 17:18

I would have every right to be pissed off and upset if any of my kids married into a COMPLETELY different culture and religion.

No.

No, you wouldn't.

CesiraAndEnrico · 25/09/2018 17:18

I had 2 estranged parents. Only one now, due to a death.

I'm posting this because ... death is very final. But the pain of a lack of resolution lingers on.

There are different types of estranged parents. Some tend to eventually resolve the issues, at least enough for some semblance of a relationship. But one group specifically, by and large, does not.

And that group tends to present the estrangement as inexplicable. They tend to speak/write of the cause of estrangement by offering up nice things they have done. That were unexplainably rejected. And refer to minor tiffs about justifiable things to be miffed about which were then used in conjunction with all their nice gestures to deepen the estrangement on the part of their child. A child who often has a spouse cast as the controller, the root cause and the maintainer of the ongoing distance. Despite enjoying emotional and geographical closeness with their own family.

I can tell you I have never stopped hoping agasibt hope for the distance to be closed. My father died 2 and a half years ago, and thanks to being resolutely stuck in the denial stage, I still hope. Even though my logical brain knows this many disparate people would not collude to say he was dead, were he not. And I found part of his funeral on youtube a few weeks ago. Which is starting to break through, because a fake funeral would be pantomime too far even for the more elaborate fantasies in my head that it's not real, he's not dead and my ongoing hope of resolution is not insanely stupid

All I needed from him, and from my still living mother, was something other than the narrative they had woven that made each of them the hurt party of an inexplicable estrangement, despite their best efforts, caused in part by a third party with ill intent.

I couldn't make my peace without that. Because nothing would have changed. So nothing could change. And the relationships would have continued to be painful, fruitless and crisis ridden. I would have given almost anything for one, or preferably both, of them to be able to show they recognised what they did to cause our relationships to break down and eventually be dissolved.

You don't need to justify yourself, not all hooves are horses, sometimes it's a zebra. But something about your post looked familiar, so I'm putting this out there on the off chance there is some kind of overlap with your family's pain. If you want him back in your life and anything in my post made a nerve twinge, it's not over til the funeral director writes his invoice. There can be a way back. In which case, focus in on what you can change and say, not out.

Good luck, god speed and I hope there is a way for peace in all your hearts. Because the alternative, IME, is a long hard road for all concerned, that I am bringing to think will only end when my life does.

mypointofview · 25/09/2018 17:21

OP, I'm not sure you can complain about this when you wrote your own MIL a letter telling her she was a witch and explaining why you never wanted to see her again.

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/09/2018 17:22

Just read that thread too

I would also dearly love to hear the DIL's (and son's) perspective on this - personally I pick up a distinct tone of someone who is manipulative as hell and determined to get her own way and who does apparently generous things to be seen to be doing them and so she can play the martyr when people don't go along with her.

mypointofview · 25/09/2018 17:24

Me too. Also, she uses the word 'foreigner'. I have personally never met a well-balanced person who uses that word about people of other nationalities who live in Britain.

Notsohorriblehistory · 25/09/2018 17:25

The only thing I’d draw the line at is the idea of my future granddaughters being subjected to FGM or forced marriage.

Grin. Did you really need to clarify that?!

EmiliaAirheart · 25/09/2018 17:32

I wholeheartedly back everything @CesiraAndEnrico said.

MadMum101 · 25/09/2018 17:33

FFS typical responses on here Hmm.

The OP has said that her DS and DIL couldn't afford the furniture she decided to surprise them with for their new house, which may suggest that they'd seen it and liked it previously but it was too expensive for them. We don't know it was a 'room full', it may have been a single item. Most normal people would be delighted at any house warming gift so let's stop the hysteria about the furniture until OP gives a little more context about it.

The 40 people turning up when expecting 12 at what was probably already an event that the OP may have been stressed about (entertaining new people who she wanted to impress), is extremely rude. Yes, they may be a different culture but the OP is not of that culture and the DIL would have known that having lived here long enough. I would have gone batshit as well.

The not saying they were moving 300 miles away until a few weeks before they went is a bit shit as well.

The not being involved in the wedding would be hurtful too.

I would also not particularly take to a family that was so racist that my son had to be kept hidden from them for 5 bloody years!

OP, and you've done your best for your son. It sounds like he has been taken in by his wife's family and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it except tell him you love him and will be there for him if he needs you. Then let him go, he has to make his own choices Flowers.

allthgoodusernamesaretaken · 25/09/2018 17:41

Where are you OP?

PaintedHorizons · 25/09/2018 17:42

OP - you are getting a hard time on here from people whose kids are small so they cannot imagine what it will be like when their darling DC treat them like shit because at the moment they are the centre of their DC's world.
They assume it must be your fault and that this would never happen to them because they are better mothers. Well it does happen. Kids grow up, they change, they are a product of their world - not just their parents - they move up or down a social class, immerse themselves in different worlds with new families. They distance themselves from their families quite often. It is normal - but sometimes not very nice at all.

Not your fault OP. Maybe you made a few mistakes - we all do - but you have been painted as some sort of monster.

As a previous poster said - focus on your husband and your own health and live your life. Your son might come round one day. If he doesn't, he doesn't.

53rdWay · 25/09/2018 17:43

I really think it would help the OP to be able to say “this is my son’s perspective on this situation” (to herself, doesn’t have to be to any of us!). Otherwise it’s going to be really really hard to ever fix the estrangement. Just saying “but I did all these nice things” isn’t going to get you talking to each other again.

PickAChew · 25/09/2018 17:45

I love how people are whining about this being a Pil thread when OP is her DS's mum Confused

crispysausagerolls · 25/09/2018 17:45

OP, and you've done your best for your son

No. Doing your best for you son is gritting your teeth and being nice to a DIL you may not care for, because they make him happy and he wants harmony between his mother and wife. Deciding to be cold, off or unpleasant to a DIL because you don’t like her or don’t think she’s right for you son isn’t not best for him, it makes him choose between the two of you and 9/10 the mother is not going to win that battle (although ironically 9/10 the mother assumes she will 😒)

crispysausagerolls · 25/09/2018 17:46

*is not

53rdWay · 25/09/2018 17:46

(or you could do what some of my family have done and spend three decades refusing to talk to each other until one of you has a major health crisis and decides life’s too short. Seems like a pointless waste of time to me though.)

LydiaLunch7 · 25/09/2018 17:46

It doesn't really matter who's right or wrong, none of the situations outlined in the OP are very good justification for a child going NC with their parents. So either we're not getting the full story, or the DIL is totally abusive and has him wrapped around her little finger.