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9 months on I am grieving for the loss of my son - he has gone NC on us

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birdladyfromhomealone · 25/09/2018 15:00

I will try not to drip feed, but I am devastated that our son has chosen to cut us out of his life.
Every night I go to sleep thinking about him and wake up in the morning with a pit in my stomach.
I have spoken to him several times since Feb on his terms, when he will allow me to but he refuses to meet us, as he says it will just be another arguement.
Our DS met his DW at uni 11 years ago, she is from a different culture but born here.
For 5 years she kept our DS secret from her family, she had to go home EVERY weekend. Even though she was living with our DS, having a relationship with us, lived with us whilst they flat hunted, holiday's, meals out, staying over etc
She was treated very well by us and was one of the family. Me and my 2 DD and her used to go for spa days, nights out etc .
We all got on.
Then my DS proposed with my DM engagement ring .
A huge diamond with rubies,
We arranged to have it made into a solitare and the rubies into earrings.
This was a huge thing for me to pass on my DM ring, I wanted my DS to give it to her as we loved her.
After they got engaged she told her family and my DS was welcomed into their family ( she said it would destroy her family for her to be with a white man)
Her parents arranged 2 weddings one for their religion and one civil white wedding.
We felt like guests at our sons wedding.
We were told what to wear and how and when to behave.
The next day 40 of the brides family turned up at ours for lunch. We invited her immediate family only.
I told my son off and he got very emotional. I admit I was cross
After that things were never the same.
A year after they got married he gave up a city job in London to work for her father, moved 300miles and moved in with them.
He told us 3 weeks before he moved although they had been planning it for months.
They then bought a house just down the road so she still sees her family daily.
I bought them a surprise of some furniture for their new home, she refused to let the delivery driver take it off the van.
We then had a huge row as she said I disrespected her.
We have not seen them since.
My DH told our DS it had made us ill.
My DH has gone on antidepressants and I have been diagnosed with stomach ulcers.
Our DS reacted very badly to be told this and said he does not have a DF anymore.
Our 2 DD are stuck in the middle as they still see their DB and DSIL (once or twice since) but cant try to resolve this for our family as DS goes off on one if our names are mentioned.
For the last 11 yrs we have been a very close family, holidays, nights out, weekend breaks.
We are devastated by this but there is no talking to our DS he hangs up on us or ignores messages.

OP posts:
StatisticallyChallenged · 28/09/2018 09:07

It's a difficult one snuggybuggy - often when an adult child decides they want to dramatically reduce contactbor go entirely NC then it does come with moving away and other relationships fracturing. It can be very hard to break ties to your parents and those with functional family relationships tend not to understand and to put pressure on to sort things out. Plus you get the flying monkeys despatched by the parent to try and sort it out

So i would not assume this is the dil's doing as going NC often involves buildinh some strong walls around yourself and losing others along the way

CesiraAndEnrico · 28/09/2018 09:10

How do you explain OH's son becoming dependent on his wife's family if the strings of his own were so irksome? He no longer even has the independence of his well paid job know.

Children do what they know. Children's expectation of boundaries is a learned process. Unlearning can take time. Unlearning is not always achieved, particularly if the learning started very early on in the child's life.

It is not unusual for a couple (as in married/romantic) to have a shared experience of high parental expectations of control and similarities in family dysfunction . It can be an element of what brings people together. In the sense they can feel both understood and able to understand within the pairing, to a degree that can be harder to achieve with people from more "normal" families.

Plus people who do not have similar experience of family dysfuntion can (understandably) run a mile when they realise just how messed up you and your family are. Making your prospective romantic pool somewhat more limited from the get to.

For example both my husbands, (despite all three of us coming from different countries and in one case a different continent) came from similarly dysfunctional backgrounds to myself if you view it specifically through the lens of parental expectation of control and weaponising of their children.

Of the three of us I am the most successful at recognising, describing in words and resisting (albeit very imperfectly) that specific sort of dysfunction. In part because their family dynamic was fixed from birth whereas in mine the dysfunction was a much later flowering. In part because ... I have had more practice thanks to jumping from the frying pan of my family, into the pot and the slow cooker of both of theirs. They have experienced the dynamic twice, via their family and my own. Whereas I have experienced it three times with my own family and spouse's' family X2.

You can keep choosing what you know at least as often as not. You can heed your gut and leap for the purposes of escape, survival, and find yourself in not so dissimilar circumstances due to the siren song of the familiar. Like a kind of groundhog day, just with new faces.

The advantage of escape into a similar looking jail, perhaps only advantageous in the sense the new one has more day trips out of the grounds allowed, is that you do not experience the same emotional connection to or filial piety towards a spouse's controlling parents. Which can lift the fog and allow you to see that kind of choke-hold love for what it is and better understand the strategies employed when it is practiced. Sometimes to the point of effective anticipation and a more successful heading off at the pass than you were able to achieve in the past.

Some people eventually move on to escape from that sort of controlling element altogether. Other's can end up in largely similar, if not actually worse, example of dysfunction with the spouse's family. Some strike a balance between the familiar and the unbearable by moving to the same dynamic that is just enough degrees lower in controlling element to make it an acceptable compromise for them between the fear of the unknown and the yearning for freedom.

At certain points over the last 30 odd years I have been all three of the above via both my husbands. I didn't get a dummies' guide to help me navigate the cards I was dealt at 16. So it has been a messy, inelegant and often very "2 steps forward, 1.89 steps back" sort of path to the destination I was trying to run towards. I am free now. Or at least as free as anybody can be when they are lugging this much baggage on their trudge through life. But it took a long time, some extended wandering around in cul de sacs and several parental deaths to get there.

Hypothetically speaking, if the OP's son's experience of "own family" dysfunction has been similar to the sorts of dysfunction I am referring to, then refuge sought in a not so dissimilar family dynamic would be confirmation, rather than negation, of a known pattern.

StatisticallyChallenged · 28/09/2018 09:26

To put it another way - if you were at sea in a boat full of zombies, even the shitiest life raft floating by would be tempting. People escaping abusive situations - not just parental issues - often make poor choices out of desperation. How often do you hear for example, of abused women who only eventually leave when they have met someone else? I know several. New guy might be a twat but can look like a knight compared to the spouse.

hellokittymania · 28/09/2018 09:43

Hi there, you sound like my mother actually! She does these types of things. She is getting older, and I am trying very hard to be patient with her, but I don't react well to surprises so she really tries to do things that will work. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. One time she took me to a Vietnamese restaurant, and the woman who worked there was calling me crazy in Vietnamese, I speak it fluently and understood. I have a special-needs by the way. I hated the entire meal, couldn't eat my food and left the restaurant crying. So maybe just check what will work and what won't. I try and do the same thing with others, I am a very generous person as well, I'm like you, I want to please everybody, but I'm careful as to how I do it.

My sister who has mental health issues cut my mother off for a long time and my mother has never been the same. It's very difficult for her, and I think that's why she tries to do things for me to the extent that she does. So I know it's difficult. Hang in there, I don't think it's ever easy, especially when you're somebody like yourself who has a big heart to be cut out.

VerbeenaBeeks · 28/09/2018 09:52

Just RTFT. I'm sorry, but I'm also another one saying they would love to hear the other side to this story!
From what you've said, it might not sound like something major, but it does come across as you're massively overstepping and being pushy.

  • You bought a house for them to rent so they could live near, but it sounds like it came with some massive strings attached as after a year of living in it when their plans/life circumstances changed etc for job etc you sound mightily cheesed off about it. As adults,they decide where to live and jobs etc,it's not your decision.
  • You "as a surprise" bought a big item of furniture that they presumably didn't need as they sent it away. Maybe they wanted to choose their own,or buy it themselves?On the surface it sounds like a nice thing to do,but it can feel incredibly controlling and/or infantalising.
Then you told off your son at a party for guests misbehaviour, it'shis fault how exactly? You're treating them like they're 5, they sound like they've had enough to me.
CesiraAndEnrico · 28/09/2018 10:22

You are projecting that the Op is how you described, you don’t know. Neither do I, but I do feel that the Op and her DH have been treated appallingly by them. The DIL sounds to me like she is the abusive, manipulating one, not the Op

My posts are long so I think it is understandable that you may not have noticed where I have repeatedly said I cannot know if the OP is the exception, or the rule.

Lizzie48 · 28/09/2018 10:25

You sound very much like my DM, especially the garden furniture, although she would have expected my DH to go and collect it! She also likes to play Lady Bountiful and The Matriarch. I'm very low contact with her now, because she's just too stressful to be around. I'm also finding how much more I enjoy social events when she's not around trying to take over.

I wouldn't go NC with her, because she is 79 and on her own and I do understand why she's the way she is.

CesiraAndEnrico · 28/09/2018 10:27

StatisticallyChallenged

That's a very good point. The pattern of people fleeing controlling relationships, via solutions that are not wildly dissimilar to the original problem, is by no means exclusive to children who have chosen to become estranged from their parents.

GunpowderGelatine · 28/09/2018 10:32

NRTFT but it must be awful OP, I would hate mine to move so far away and I imagine it would be hard to not be bitter about it. I'm not saying it's right, but that's a fairly understandable reaction.

Do whatever it takes to make up with him. Life's too short, you sound very caring

StatisticallyChallenged · 28/09/2018 10:34

Exactly, it's pretty common. As is the situation where the "reason" for finally going NC can seem relatively minor - often the bigger stuff is tolerated and then it's something small that finally causes the snap. The abuser then hangs on to this and uses it to demonstrate how unreasonable the other party is - either intentionally or because they lack the insight to recognise that it wasn't just "because i bought them a sofa" or " i didn't wash the dishes" or whatever

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 10:36

The DIL sounds to me like she is the abusive, manipulating one, not the Op
Just how? How does the DIL sound abusive? The OP has said nothing to indicate that? We know even less about the DIL than the OP (though the OP’s tone and previous posts do give us some clues as to what she might be like).
Who’s protecting now?

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 10:36

Projecting. FFS.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 28/09/2018 10:46

I’m completely confused how some people here have built up such a vivid picture of the DIL and her family. The only person the OP really reveals any information about is herself. (And it’s not like her view is unbiased in the first place...)

Me too. I've read all the posts in this thread, and all I know is that DIL (whom I shall refer to as Sarah, for the purpose of humanising her)
i) initially feared her family wouldn't accept her choice of partner,
ii) thought the OP's son was worth braving her family's objections for,
iii) and that Sarah seems to have over the course of the relationship, brought her family around to her choice of partner and openly married him wih their full involvement.
iv) Sarah used to cook for OP and OP's husband once a week,
v) she once expressed something positive about a garden sofa
vi) and refused the unexpected furniture delivery).
vii) Sarah was too polite to the OP in the subsequent phone call about the unexpected furniture and the OP thought she was rude to be so polite.

I feel I need more before I can sentence Sarah to being hanged, drawn and quartered.

Bluelady · 28/09/2018 10:56

So you haven't picked up that Sarah's family now provide OP's son, let's call him Simon to humanise him, with his home and his job. You haven't noticed that, not only are Simon's family estranged but also his friends and he now lives 300 miles away from his former support network , entirely dependent on Sarah's family?

Doesn't sound great to me. Or independent.

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 11:15

Bluelady Simon has moved 300 miles away and works for his FIL. That doesn’t mean he was coerced. He may have thought it a good opportunity, may have hated working in the city, may have wanted to be free of his DM, and maybe he did want to please his wife. Maybe a combination of all of these.
Just because the OP feels a certain way towards Sarah because Simon has gone NC, doesn’t mean you can infer coercion on Sarah’s part at all. Or that it was Sarah’s decision that Simon go NC. There’s absolutely no evidence of this.

user1457017537 · 28/09/2018 11:22

LifeinPlastic I think the DiL is abusive in the fact that she was happy to live with the Op in her home and accept her hospitality and then let her buy a home for them to rent, whilst she didn’t want her parents to know about the relationship. The moment her parents were on board she dropped the Op

Bluelady · 28/09/2018 11:22

I think you'll find I can infer anything I like.

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 11:24

Bluelady yes, of course, anyone could infer anything. Doesn’t make it correct, or even based on any evidence whatsoever.

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 11:30

User all sorts of reasons - perhaps she saw the control exerted by OP. Perhaps the brunch incident was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Maybe, just maybe, it was Simon who had had enough. Perhaps being exposed to Sarah’s family, who, inspite of her initial fears, have accepted him into their family, he realised what family life could be like elsewhere. Or perhaps he used them as an escape route from OP. The point is, we don’t know and there is no evidence (opinion and inference is not fact) for us to draw any conclusions on this.
Again, all of the information we have is slanted from the OP’s own bias. I bet the other side if the story would make very interesting reading.

Bluelady · 28/09/2018 11:31

Where did I get the evidence then? Because it's what OP's told us. Or do you think I've made it up?

53rdWay · 28/09/2018 11:34

OP hasn’t told us that the DIL caused the estrangement though. We don’t know that at all. The only specific ‘wrong’ the DIL has committed that we do know about is that she refused the sofa and used a tone of voice the OP objected to while discussing it.

Bluelady · 28/09/2018 11:46

Do people actually read posts? Nowhere have I said Sarah caused the estrangement. However the suggestion that Simon should quit his career, work for his FiL and live in a property owned by them didn't just fall from the sky. Where do you think it might have come from?

LifeInPlastic · 28/09/2018 11:53

Bluelady Context.
I can infer whatever I like.

53rdWay · 28/09/2018 12:04

Where do you think it might have come from?

Well either the DIL is a controlling monster who has turned him against his family, or he has been desperate for an attempt to get away from his own controlling family and has leapt to his in-laws instead, or... well, it could be anything really, couldn’t it? Maybe he gave up his job because he hated his job. Maybe he loved his job but felt he couldn’t cope any longer. Maybe he prefers the area he’s moved to. Maybe maybe maybe. We don’t know.

What we do know is that the OP and her son have had repeated arguments over their relationship that ended in their estrangement. We don’t know what the substance of those arguments was. We don’t know what the OP’s son’s views on any of this are - she hasn’t said. It’s a total blank space for us, although it will not be a blank space to the OP who unlike us was present for those arguments.

Since the estrangement is causing the OP and her family pain and she wants it to end, her best move is probably to look at her son’s views. Not conclude why he may have done X Y and Z based on what any of us have extrapolated from what OP’s told us about her daughter-in-law. But actually consider what he said, consider that at least to him he has a reason for these life changes and for the estrangement, and use that understanding to attempt to rebuild family relationships in time to come.

Speculating that the DIL is a controlling monster (based on... her refusing a sofa?) and telling the OP she’s right and DIL and family are awful, as many on here have, isn’t actually going to help rebuild those relationships.

CesiraAndEnrico · 28/09/2018 12:10

You haven't noticed that, not only are Simon's family estranged but also his friends

With regards to friends it is worth bearing in mind that not all people take it completely in their stride when they discover their friend's family is in the throes of a fraught and high stakes rift.

Some are (understandably) scared off, because they had no idea their friend's family was anything other than "mostly normal". They can find being unwillingly caught in the middle mortifying and conclude it is unknown territory that they'd much rather not traverse. So some friendship fizzle out on that basis.

Others can be politely and sympathically non-commital in conversation with the parent, and then hear of the conversation being re-told, with words they did not say and interpretations they did not communicate attributed to their mouth.

Some are well aware of their friend's issues with their family and are primed to give an impression of distance with said friend. It heads off the potential for them being cast by the parent in the role of unwilling messenger and/or pumped for information.

And sometime, when making geographical and relationship changes, some friendships/relationships that were more out of habit than anything else, can just become collateral damage that the estranged child can live with.

All of the above can happen with other family members as well as friends. It's just that it can be much trickier with family members. Because denied, or unmentioned communication and contact with them is even more risky in terms of the potential for discovery and degree of fall out if the discovery happens.

There are several potential explanations beyond an unjustifiable and/or coerced alienation from many people, in one fell swoop.

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