To think that I should be told if my daughters girl guiding leader is actually a man.

[Angryresister]

Apparently it is policy now to not give parents information about male people who self identify as women ,as leaders, or the information that a boy will now be part of the group. This goes against all safeguarding procedures and there will be a major scandal when dangerous preditors take advantage of this policy to get to access girls . The organisation is also sacking volunteers who raise questions. There seem to be fewer and fewer girl only activities available these days

I don’t think the majority of teenage boys are potential rapists. I still think ALL teenage boys should be separated from teenage girls overnight, to prevent pregnancy.

But what if your dd is recovering from a sexual assault, and she is going to GG to help gain confidence, then she finds herself sleeping next to a transgirl in a village hall. Is that just tough shit?

There are many other youth organisations that are for both sexes, it’s not like it’s just GGs out there.

Iamnotanumber10

If it's exactly the same as gay rights, why are so many gay women against automatic rights of men to self-ID into female spaces? Do you genuinely think that despite being politically left-leaning and pro-LGBT all their lives, that they are secretly prejudiced against a group because they just randomly hate them for no reason and find them disgusting? Does that make sense to you? Wouldn't it then be likely that they were also e.g. racist or disablist too? I mean prejudiced people don't tend to be super-liberal in one area and then extremely bigoted in another, do they?

HOWEVER I do not assume that trans girls are predatory wannabe rapists trying to get at my daughter by joining the girl guides

Has anyone said this, or are we at the making up bollocks part of the thread?

And none of the men I know - colleagues, friends, family members - are sex offenders. Doesn’t mean we get undressed in the same room. Or sleep in the same room.

Schools have to provide separate changing facilities for boys and girls from the age of 8. This seems to get around that.

And none of the men I know - colleagues, friends, family members - are sex offenders. Doesn’t mean we get undressed in the same room. Or sleep in the same room.

Precisely. It's about privacy and dignity too. I get on great with my line manager. I am confident he would never try to rape me. I would be incredibly uncomfortable with having to share a changing room with him. Not so with my female colleagues. We all know there is a huge difference so why are people pretending there isn't in some vain attempt to be woke and inclusive?

iamnot

Can you show me where that post is so i can report it please

Although its weird...i dont think most people would refer to a transfemale

I went to an all girls school, and I remember the knots we all used to tie ourselves into trying to get changed for swimming etc in the communal changing rooms, so that we didn't show off too much of our bodies. One girl had a huge towel thing that she wore like a tent so that she could get changed underneath and no one would see anything. Because teenage girls are shy and uncomfortable and awkward like that, even around people who have the same body and are going through similar changes.

I would have found it incredibly uncomfortable to get changed around a male bodied person, even if they did claim to be a girl. I look back at my 13 year old self and it makes me really upset, no actually really fucking angry, that I would have been labelled a 'bigot' or 'hateful' to be uncomfortable with that.

Very very VERY well said @captainproton !! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Especially that last paragraph! 👍🏻

I c&p'd this from my earlier post.
What is your stance on this Iamnotanumber? Do you not care about the girls who have been sexually abused because they are not in your family?

Victims of sexual abuse will not want to go because this will have a massive impact on their mental health but fuck them and their MH, those bigots should just get over it and accept the boys with their girl penis. That is what you are saying to these girls when you are saying there is nothing wrong with this batshit policy.

@Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Post was made at 20.58 tonight.

It's disgusting and I've also reported it.

Thank you brown

I did look back but obviously not far enough

Would be acceptable to you dear leader, to say that women and girls were made to feel very uncomfortable because of male bodied people in women only spaces?

What will we say to each other when the schoolgirl pregnancies shoot up? It would be cruel to say "told you so",wouldn't it? Or would it?

What will we say to each other when the schoolgirl pregnancies shoot up?

Don't be so bigoted. Not everyone who gets pregnant is a women or a girl...

itsallgoingtobefine
In the recent referendum in Ireland to legalise termination of pregnancy we're being asked to have the wording of the legislation changed to "pregnant people"
Apparently transmen who don't want to be women and so will not want to do a very female thing (become pregnant) need to be included.
Last time I checked only women but not all women can become pregnant

Omg. As a guider I find this thread aborant. Not only are leaders not even in the Sam dorm or tent as the girls . A trans female is welcome in our unit. Each leader shares or has a tent of their own and every leader individually is responsible for the safeguarding of the girls

If we are going down this route

Scouting has both male and female leaders and male and female attendees. Do you see the problem.

Guiding has always been tolerant and safe place to be. That's why trans females are welcome. Regardless of their genetailia they are female.

It's the parents that have issues here. Not the girls.

@iamnotanumber10

Thanks for engaging. It can be hard to find people that actually believe in this brave new world.

How do you feel about the impact this new policy will have on Muslim and Jewish girls? I can tell you that with this new policy, the majority of Muslin and Jewish girls will not be allowed to participate in any residential, regardless of how anyone identifies. Is this fair?

@rightreckoner no it's not. It seems some parents have their closet transfobia issues.

HowamIgoingtocope

Not only are leaders not even in the Sam dorm or tent as the girls

Posters have already said that this is not always the case.

Guiding has always been tolerant and safe place to be.

Mainly because it has been girls only.

Are scouts and beavers not safe places to be now ?? Blimey, they've obviously been doing it wrong

BabySharkAteMyHamster

I think the issue is scouts and beavers are open and honest with parents about the fact they’re mixed sex. Parents then have factual information and can make their decisions accordingly. Guides are now lying to parents about the make up of their organisations. Lying to parents is always going to be a safeguarding issue and there really needs to be some investigation as to why guides are lying to parents (who benefits from this).

Baby you obviously know absolutely nothing about this issue or you would not make such a stupid comment.

Maybe try educating yourself a little. if you read this thread you will understand.

Regardless of their genetailia they are female.

Yeah...but they're not though and that's just a fact,