To think that I should be told if my daughters girl guiding leader is actually a man.

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Apparently it is policy now to not give parents information about male people who self identify as women ,as leaders, or the information that a boy will now be part of the group. This goes against all safeguarding procedures and there will be a major scandal when dangerous preditors take advantage of this policy to get to access girls . The organisation is also sacking volunteers who raise questions. There seem to be fewer and fewer girl only activities available these days

I agree op, especially if they have their fully functioning Male equipment still there, absolutely flies in the face of Safeguarding. What if a girl needed help with personal care, she wet herself, or her period started, some start very young.

Funny how girls and women have to just like it or lump it, their feelings and concerns are just brushed aside, as there is a much more important group of people to consider.

My dd 11 has ASD and learning difficulties, and she has a Female carer who takes her out in the community, she has just started her periods. I would absolutely want her to have a biological Female to take care of her, and would feel very uncomfortable about a biological Man helping her with her initmate needs (sometimes she wets if she is really happy and forgets to go to the toilet, or period).

regardless of having gender re assignment surgery

No male teenager will have had this. Do you think it's okay for them to share sleeping space, showers etc with teenage girls?

I mean, a convicted sex offender merely had to say he identified as a woman and he was given access to an entire prison full of captive potential victims.

And the fact that happened has to make you question the suitability of the people that allowed it to happen to be making such decisions in the first place.

I don't care if someone identifies as a man, woman,cat,tooth fairy or the man in the man, surely their risk of attacking other prisoners whether that be physically or sexually needs to be assessed. I wouldn't accept a violent man being housed with other men if there was a serious risk that he would attack them. Some sex offenders are segregated in prison to stop them being attacked by other prisoners so it's not simply a case of go to prison and be housed within the general population. Whoever was in charge of making this decision should have been able to see the risk of housing a sex offender in with female prisoners, even if he now identifies as a woman. That decision was indefensible.

Re: DBS there is a court case at the moment where a person who was convicted of a male sex crime is now female & wants their conviction cleared entirely from their record so it doesn't show on DBS checks.

No male teenager will have had this. Do you think it's okay for them to share sleeping space, showers etc with teenage girls?

No I don't but I was replying to a comment where the poster said that she doesn't consider trans women a threat but that she sees a loophole that can be abused. My point was that for some it isn't only about the loophole.

How worrying Poshme that could well happen with Girlguiding leaders or Scout leaders ,to gain them access to children. Recently a convicted rapist was put into a woman prison (fully intact with his male genitalia), where he assaulted Females, he has now been put back into a Male prison where he should have been all along. Anything goes now. Karen White case.

And if that DBS case goes through then it's ridiculous and actually voids the entire DBS process.

No point in them existing at all.

Exactly.

DBS tells us when people have been caught breaking the law. If people can have bits wiped clean, then they are pointless.

Scenario: person commits rape of a child. It is a male only crime. Later, they self ID as female & apply to have record cleared so as not to 'out' themselves as trans. Then they apply to work with children. DBS would be clear.

'It would never happen' is what people will say.

Like a trans person being put in a female prison & then Assaulting the women. That would never happen. Oops- it just did.

If you want the girl guides to start informing parents about trans men or women, then they should also inform them of their political persuasion, skin colour, country of birth, nationality, vaccination history, history of depressions/self harm, relationship status, homo/heterosexual, education results, job history, benefit status, salary, religious beliefs, voting record, remainer or leaver, and any other factor that you dont want your daughter exposed to.

Or you could just do the relevant safeguarding checks....

If any group gets the DBS to wipe their record clean though then others will try to do the same.

I sincerely hope that the judges realise the danger in this decision and refuse this.

But we shall have to wait and see. Certainly if it goes through I will be protesting loudly and widely - not about trans people having their records wiped per se - but that NO ONE should have their DBS wiped. If even allegations are disclosed in some circumstances then there is no argument that convictions be removed.

@walkingdeadfangirl did you read the article I posted?

Or the TransMan put into a Male prison and abused, placed in the male prison as basically, self Id'd. (not sure if we can name this person, trial date for her federal suit has been set for 2020).

Another potential problem with Self ID could lead to similar cases in the future in the UK.

The DBS case, I feel sorry for the judge. Either way they will be heavily criticised for the decision, and either way, an appeal will be lodged.

Walkingdead so you are happy for a teenage boy who says he is a girl to share with girls?? There are no safeguarding checks.

Not read all the thread try reading the thread.

Just have, looks like another trans bashing thread. Used to when first saw on here think yes, it's something we need to think about, self ID is worrying.
Until one prolific poster said after someone said "it's only self ID we have a problem with" came out with the exact words "nah, I've a problem with them all."
Thought nope, I'm not being on any "side" that's having any of that.

If you want the girl guides to start informing parents about trans men or women, then they should also inform them of their political persuasion, skin colour, country of birth, nationality, vaccination history, history of depressions/self harm, relationship status, homo/heterosexual, education results, job history, benefit status, salary, religious beliefs, voting record, remainer or leaver, and any other factor that you dont want your daughter exposed to.

The one thing all those girls/women that would be included in any of the aforementioned categories, Walkingdeadfangirl, is the fact that they have never had a penis. It’s those that have a penis, that we’re discussing, so that argument doesn’t work.

How strange that one anonymous poster's opinion would cause you to decide that safeguarding of women and girls isn't important rainbow.

If you want the girl guides to start informing parents about trans men or women, then they should also inform them of their political persuasion, skin colour, country of birth, nationality, vaccination history, history of depressions/self harm, relationship status, homo/heterosexual, education results, job history, benefit status, salary, religious beliefs, voting record, remainer or leaver, and any other factor that you dont want your daughter exposed to

Yes because currently we separate changing, washing and sleeping facilities by all these factors .

There are public loos for brexiteers and remainders.

When I was in hospital recently I has a bed on the non vaccinated people’s ward. Because of the two non vaccinated people a week who are killed by people who are vaccinated. And the fact that 98% of sexual assaults are committed by people who have been vaccinated .

In John Lewis I use the divorced people’s changing room.

Until one prolific poster said after someone said "it's only self ID we have a problem with" came out with the exact words "nah, I've a problem with them all. one poster said something you don’t like, so we’re all wrong? Really?

There are hundreds of threats of violence, rape, abuse, doxing and even a bomb threat towards GC females, but that has given you cause for concern? 😒

@TwistedStitch

Sadly it isn't just one poster that has that opinion though.

It's quite a widely held belief on here that trans women are men and that men aren't welcome in a women only space. Regardless of if that trans woman has actually had gender re assignment surgery.

WILL all those leaders saying they can't share with girls PLEASE just READ GG's own web page.
www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/running-your-unit/events-and-going-away/going-on-residentials/
It SPECIFICALLY tells you what to do if you are sleeping in the same room as girls.

Ahhh the old chestnut, that any concerns about a woman or girls safety is transbashing .

And sparkly you can have one leader with multiple girls, just not one to one. Again read the manual.

Exactly brownpaperteddy.