Macron's behaviour is despicable Part two

[Snowymountainsalways]

The thread was closed as it has exceeded 1000 posts.

I have reopened another one in hope that we will be able to discuss with honesty the Salzburg summit, both sides of the brexit debate and with cordiality. This is not a place for venting. Please do that elsewhere. This is a place for polite debate and conversation.

Around dinner tables and on the touch lines we are talking about the future of the brexit deal, if there is a future with the EU or not and what the options are for us now.

I voted to remain, and I am unhappy with the impasse. I had expected and hoped for progress. It did not happen.

Macron descended into name calling, and Tusk posted jokes and photos that are not in the least bit funny about a diabetic person. It was unsettling and disturbing to see how disrespectful they were to our PM TM. So we consider where we are this morning.

Thoughts?

We're listening @Snowymountainsalways (and this thread is possibly the most polite I've seen anywhere on the subject), but you're not telling us anything that puts May's actions in a positive light.

Funny how a lot of the people offended at Tusks Instagram are the same people who go round on Twitter calling people snowflakes for being offended by the dubious things Boris et al come out with.

I mean it was ill advised but he probably thought we would find it funny, what with our famous sense of humour and all.

ethel

Thank you for the first post on this thread that you wrote

Very clear and i agree with you, though i am probably not as well versed about point 4 as i should be

are the same people who go round on Twitter calling people snowflakes for being offended by the dubious things Boris et al come out with. Nope I can't stand 'Boris' or 'et al' whoever they are.

@Autumnwindy Cross border intelligence and cooperation is vital in the battle against terrorism, and I genuinely fear a situation where we would not be a party to that. Closing borders is not going to be the first line of defence though, and nor should it be because it infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens too (many people cross country lines everyday to go to work). If a criminal entity wants to leave the country they'll do so irrespective of formal borders.

mookatron

You are a paid troll

They cant be...

They know what a touchline is

I know what one is now...i asked dh

If going against the grain of a forum and posting your opinions means you’re a troll, I’ll gladly sit under a bridge, only if I’m getting paid well, mind.

Brexit was about nationalism evidenced by the bruised egos of leavers outraged that some foreigners dared to tell them home truths.

@Autumnwindy
There are 2 terrorist suspects, 15 year olds in the South of England (forget where). Where should the EU put up barriers to contain them? Around their house, around the town, around Kent (?), at the channel ports?
Your next door neighbour COULD be a terrorist.
I thought Mr Tusks picture was funny. Mrs May and most of the British press have been rude about many of the senior EU diplomats and leaders over the last 2 years or more. They have been telling Mrs May that the UK can't have 'cake and eat it' and as she has refused to take this on board then a picture might help.
A punch in the face might get the message home a bit more directly but that is a bit too far.

I don't know about bruised egos, I am not a boris supporter and I have never been described as a snowflake.

I have never said anything about 'war', so I am not sure where you got that from! You are misquoting me I am certain.

The brexit process to get a deal has become very painful, I have seen that the EU have chosen conflict rather than resolution. We know this from the comments from Macron and Tusk. No one can be in any doubt now sadly.

Maybe it was always supposed to be like this, and it was staged, and at the last minute some wonderful offer will come shining through and save the day. Do you suppose that will happen? No, nor do I. However I don't think Merkel will put a rational deal on the table now. I will be happy to be wrong.

I am not sure it has played out very well. TM now has more support than ever, no one is impressed with Tusk and Macron and they have helped the brexiteers no end in behaving this way. They have proved the brexit point so to speak that the EU are impossible to deal with and completely incapable of change. It is very hard to argue against that.

None of this is what I voted for!

My vote goes to common sense and understanding that all sides have a valid point and we must stop this endless battle.

That is a concern. It will end up a tit for a tat, relations with Europe will sink something more akin to war. Snowymountainsalways Fri 21-Sep-18 10:34:26

HTH

The brexit process to get a deal has become very painful, I have seen that the EU have chosen conflict rather than resolution. We know this from the comments from Macron and Tusk. No one can be in any doubt now sadly

They’ve not chosen conflict. They’ve been crystal clear from day one “no cherry picking” “you can’t have your cake and eat it”

It’s not the EUs fault the British government has chosen to leave it way too late to confront reality.

I have seen that the EU have chosen conflict rather than resolution

Becaus op, they don’t want brexit to be a success. Because if it is other countries will want out & the ones left will have part with more money.
They’ve publicly said they don’t want us to leave. But because we’re sticking to the referendum result ( rightly so ) they’re making things difficult.

You are misquoting me, I was acknowledging another post. It was there point that it will be tit for tat, not mine thank you prettybird

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surferjet Yes clearly that is very much the case.

The EU do not want any kind of deal. I acknowledge and digest this fact as a remainer, I am now firmly of the view that there is precious little more that can be done to secure any deal, and a hard brexit is now on the way.

Hi Snow. Any chance of you answering my question about what Macron's comments have got to do with Theresa May? I've asked you about six times now and you keep ignoring me.

Oh and surferjet, how nice to see you again. I don't believe you're a troll, but when you engage with the OP this way you look like a child who thinks the Amazon Alexa is actually their friend.

Ethel

What about the EU is rotten to the core - that was my question?

There isn't space on here (or probably on the entire internet, come to that ) to list all the studies and evidence around this issue, but if it helps there's a useful article below which includes a link to the Commission's own report:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387

EU Home Affairs Commisioner, Cecilia Malmstroem, quoted in Sweden's Goeteborgs-Posten daily: "The extent of the problem in Europe is breathtaking"

And just one small illustration of the endemic resistance to reform:

www.transparency.ie/content/ti-condemns-eu-parliaments-rejection-essential-anti-corruption-reforms

Lastly, one example among many of attempts to hide that corruption:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/climbdown-as-meps-abuse-of-expenses-is-finally-revealed-2302028.html

Has the British government come up for a solution for the border in NI? No you say? Then the current clusterfuck has got nothing to do with the EU not wanting a deal has it? Which is bollocks anyway. It’s the UK leaving. If I sell my house I don’t expect the neighbour to do everything for me.

The EU are behaving atrociously. I am now certain there will be a no deal Brexit - it’s what they wanted all along. We will manage fine after an adjustment . On the plus side we won’t need to pay them a penny. I am in no doubt now this is where we are headed. Time for Brits to show some steel and prepare for this and our new way in the world. We will be free soon.

The EU DOES want a deal but it will not be to the detriment of any of the EU27.
The UK is leaving, so it is up to the UK to fit around the 'club rules'.
Mr Barnier and the others are doing their job professionally, upholding the rules of the club.
For Mrs May and the government to not understand this can only be because they are terminally stupid, or playing a very dangerous game with the lives of all in the UK. It will definitely result in the majority being a lot poorer.

At some point the EU will just say what's the point. It will have cost a fortune to negotiate pointlessly for the last two years. It's pointless because we neither know what we are doing or have a clear plan.
Our politicians treat us like children and do not have honest conversations with us. People believed leave when they said it will be easy.
At some point the EU will just say it's not worth it anymore. They actually don't need us more than we need them and no we don't have much to trade.
We are in no way in a strong position.
We were when we providing Europe's services (Thatcher's plan). We've blown and as one other thread said - no our children won't forgive us.
They'll be no more money for the nhs. They'll be no more money for education, probably even less than now.
Macron wasn't rude. He was truthful.
The problem with this country is we're uncomfortable with honesty.

Perhaps terminal stupidity is catching, reading '5yearplan's post.