Macron's behaviour is despicable Part two

[Snowymountainsalways]

The thread was closed as it has exceeded 1000 posts.

I have reopened another one in hope that we will be able to discuss with honesty the Salzburg summit, both sides of the brexit debate and with cordiality. This is not a place for venting. Please do that elsewhere. This is a place for polite debate and conversation.

Around dinner tables and on the touch lines we are talking about the future of the brexit deal, if there is a future with the EU or not and what the options are for us now.

I voted to remain, and I am unhappy with the impasse. I had expected and hoped for progress. It did not happen.

Macron descended into name calling, and Tusk posted jokes and photos that are not in the least bit funny about a diabetic person. It was unsettling and disturbing to see how disrespectful they were to our PM TM. So we consider where we are this morning.

Thoughts?

The EU are behaving atrociously

They really aren’t. The U.K. are trying to rewrite the rule book as we leave. The EU are understandably saying no to that.

EthelThePiratesDaughter

I haven’t got a clue who amazon Alexa is, or indeed who you are.

But while I’m here, I couldn’t give a flying fuck what you think of me.

I agree with the op - get over it.

“Our children won’t forgive us” they wail. It’s such nonsense. Leaving the EU will be amazing, other than for those who want to be dominated by an unelected bloated bureaucracy and dictated to by foreign powers. And those relying on the gravy train. Most countries in the world look st the EU and see a pitiful sclerotic group, being destroyed from within by misguided policies and past sell by date, late 20th century ideaology. The world has moved on and the EU is not some dynamic powerhouse any more. It’s declining relative to the rest of the world. Power is being concentrated in the centre and the south is left to rot. Corruption and cronyism abounds. We are well off out of it. Wave blue flags all you like. We’re getting out.

The EU does want a deal, and I think it will get one. It's Greece part 2. There will be a climb down by the UK government, or parliament will force the issue.

There's a risk of no deal of course but we're not there yet. No one sane in the UK government wants no deal, because political theatre is one thing, but lorries unable to get though Dover is quite another.

5yeaplan
Do you actually believe what you say?
It's like ukip 101.
Even the 'thick as mince' David Davis said it will be rubbish or 50 years Rees-mogg.
But then again he wants people like you to believe it all so they can cash in.
Naomi Klein's disaster capitalism sums it up nicely.

If the EU is a 'gravy train' then it must be very thin gravy. An individual's contribution is less than £200 which represents what 15 pizzas?
The post by 5year is plain nonsense (AKA complete bollocks).
I am only relieved that I won't have to share being on a small island with you.

In 2016/2017 my personal contribution to the EU budget was less than £80 (possibly less than £60, I can't quite remember) and I was earning about £50k a year.

Snowy я думаю, что вы работаете на Путина

Badder

My money's on Andrea Leadsom, not the Russians.

Snowy is actually quite funny. With every post, he/she/they make it even more clear that he/she/they were never a Remainer, let alone a moderate Remainer.

Either that, or he/she/they is/are schizophrenic as he/she/they has had such a personality change in his/her/their beliefs.

(with apologies to anyone who genuinely suffers from schizophrenia)

The fact that he/she/they refuses to actually identify exactly where Macron was "despicable" in his statement which was true is just typical of a Leaver mentality.

....and yes, I really should refuse to engage with those that are being deliberately provocative, whether it not they are being paid or may or may not be who they claim to be.

I’ve never heard of the op either tbh, & as far as I’m aware have never spoken to her.
I just agree with people who make sense - mostly leavers - but a few other MN remainers have seen the light, the op is far from unique.
It’s always the same though, a remainer who has changed their mind is a paid troll, yet a leaver who swaps sides is your new lover.

Badder - that could be true (and no, I didn't use Google Translate - I remembered enough from my 2 years' study at Uni )

Oh surfer you're soooooo funny!

I am really not a troll, but a a real MN with two children to boot! The whole troll thing doesn't worry me.

A real MN eh

There are always those that try to turn every brexit thread into a bunfight. We have seen it over and over again. It is very boring. When I first posted I thought I was more likely to be savaged by a leaver!

I am sad for the coordinated extremists on here who have nothing better to than shout others down. I have just spent the last two hours enjoying breakfast, bath, papers, had a run with my eldest daughter. I come back and poor Ethel is still hard at it. I hope they are paying you well Ethel.

prettybird and badder (and surfer)

From the posting style I am pretty certain that the OP is either the same person or reading from the same script as the person who was on here posting under the username Springingintoaction, as Mistigri alluded to earlier in the thread.

Springing disappeared at approximately 9:59pm on 23rd June 2016.

If he/she/it is back now, its because someone is getting ready to fight a second referendum campaign. So that's a good sign, at least.

I can't believe I am having to justify how I voted and why!

Ridiculous.

@snowymountainsalways
Thanks for addressing the question but it’s not clear which post you’re replying to when you mention war. Regardless, to portray EU/UK disagreements and posturing over Brexit as oleading to a relationship akin to war is an orders of magnitude escalation in rhetoric. Such language drives the view that the EU/UK differences are unbridgeable and consequently a hard Brexit inevitable - though perhaps you already knew that?

In reality, many options are still open to us including remain, EEA/EFTA, Canada, etc although the chequers proposal probably isn’t viable. Time is running out but the relationship with the EU is not so broken that an orderly Brexit can’t still be achieved (EEA/EFTA) or even an about-turn to remain as you must be hoping for.

I am sorry to disappoint you I have never heard of springintoaction and in addition I think the second ref is a god awful idea. Why? Because it will be an endless referendum as one side fights again for the next one. Clearly you haven't read the whole thread.

The real trolls on here are the same ones that are always on MN. ethel Mookatron and juells

If he/she/it is back now, its because someone is getting ready to fight a second referendum campaign. So that's a good sign, at least.

Oh yes, I can believe this very easily...back for round 2 whipping up the underbelly with faux-victimization. The big bad nasty EU are so mean to us . Not sure people are going to fall for the xenophobic BS a second time though, especially since so many jobs are on the line and Project "Fear" is actually starting to affect people's lives.

We'll see. Also, I had an erotic dream about the delicious Macron last night and am now qualified to confirm he is A VERY BAD MAN AND EXTREMELY RUDE

Your English is slipping love

indistinct wow at long last we are 1148 posts in and the voice of reason finally arrives.

The war comment was made by autumnwindy several hundred posts earlier. Her reference I believe was due to the general cranking up of rhetoric and a sense of a ill feeling that has now pervaded talks and summits. I acknowledged her post as she said the government now seems to be on a war like footing. I could not disagree with her as TM had made her statement, and indeed there was a definite churchill moment in there (more than one to be precise) and the war cabinet feeling was present. We are in fact under no illusion now that talks have completely broken down and the impasse has been publicly noted.

I agree and would like to see now a Canada option, I had hoped for a better deal, but that has been dashed. Despite the hysteria on here about my position. I am in fact a remainer but that does not stop me from seeing a different view or understanding the concerns of the leave side, they make some very good points.

You say the relationship isn't so broken that a Canada style agreement could still be an option? I have been told endless times on here that the EU in fact do not wish for any agreement to be brokered and have no intention of honouring any kind of arrangement and would prefer the UK to be 'punished' Do you feel that is a possibility?

None of this is what I voted for!

Well of course it isn’t OP, you’ve already told us repeatedly that you voted remain...

Memo to Leave.eu HQ, we’re not as thick as you clearly think we are.