Macron's behaviour is despicable Part two

[Snowymountainsalways]

The thread was closed as it has exceeded 1000 posts.

I have reopened another one in hope that we will be able to discuss with honesty the Salzburg summit, both sides of the brexit debate and with cordiality. This is not a place for venting. Please do that elsewhere. This is a place for polite debate and conversation.

Around dinner tables and on the touch lines we are talking about the future of the brexit deal, if there is a future with the EU or not and what the options are for us now.

I voted to remain, and I am unhappy with the impasse. I had expected and hoped for progress. It did not happen.

Macron descended into name calling, and Tusk posted jokes and photos that are not in the least bit funny about a diabetic person. It was unsettling and disturbing to see how disrespectful they were to our PM TM. So we consider where we are this morning.

Thoughts?

Oh! Do you think people have actually been misspelling 'remainers' all along then, and not just parrotting a meaningless catch phrase invented by a bigoted public school arsehole? I take it all back. And I'm sorry for being such a bit old hag, a nomenclature which is after all not intended to be in the least insulting.

Mookatron

Could I please be an honorary old Hag? I'm lacking in certain areas, but make up for it with enthusiasm

Mousse I disagree. There was plenty of balls in donny's original post.

All hags welcome - we are not ageist.

Welcome to the coven, Jason!

Just wondering how the EU can simultaneously be lazy and taking over and running everything..

Surely if they were lazy they wouldn't do much at all, rather like David Davis.

I think it's the same logic as EU migrants who are simultaneously stealing our jobs and abusing our benefits system, Susan.

Susan it's Schrodinger's EU!

SusanWalker What has David Davis got to do with anything? He hasn't been the brexit secretary for months. I assume you mean Dominic Raab?

Updating from current news so far seems that TM is now heading towards a Canada style deal and seems to be holding on to her position as PM.

No word from the EU as yet apart from a mumbling comment from Tusk saying they still want a deal, and no comment from Macron and certainly no apology as yet.

As the truth comes out, it appears Oliver Robbins was responsible for the breakdown in communication betweeen the EU and UK and had advised TM badly. Yes the chequers was apparently alive until it became known the Irish backstop was unlikely to be sorted out by October.....

So the question one must ask. Did the EU ever have any intention to do a deal with the UK? Or do we think this was simply a staged ambush to embarrass her? If they had no intention, why bother?

Marcon is now threatening not to go to the next summit. Lets hope he follows through as we can do without his input.

I don't believe for one second the EU were ever going to do a deal with the uk. No matter what we suggest, they will veto it. To discourage all the others from leaving

Yes you could be right notsuch so as suggested today in the times maybe the UK should now stop talking to the EU and start working on free trade agreements with the US etc?

If we genuinely feel the EU are not interested, and lets be honest I can not see a single reason to think that they are after last week, then we should work on other options and quickly.

Canada deal should be relatively easy to sort out or Norway. These are off the shelf deals with precedents. The EU never intended to do a bespoke deal for the UK. I still think the UK could crash out in March though.

All the Brexiters still hurting Johnny Foreigner not doing as their told I see.

Liars:
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
David Daivs
Liam Fox
The Sun
The Daily Mail
The Daily Express
The Times
The Telegraph
UKIP
Nigel Farage
Economists for Brexit
etc. etc.

Macron was speaking a self-evident truth.

Theresa May can get some respect when she has decided to have a respectful negotiating position and uses respectful ministers. The fact that she went over Barniers head and appealed to EU leaders shows she has no respect for the EU approach to Brexit.

Canada deal should be relatively easy to sort out or Norway.

Canada deal won't resolve the Irish border issue and Norway is effectively Brexit in name only. Fine by me but what's the point?

To repeat the question that has been asked repeatedly: What. Has. Macron. Got. To. Apologise. For?

To repeat: he didn't insult May and he spoke the truth. Those in charge of the Leave campaign did mislead the voters and did run away the day after rather than taking responsibility and managing the result of their own actions

Where is the insult?

I'm not holding my breath expecting you to answer because you can't. Because he didn't.

But carry on digging a hole

What is he not apologising for snowymountain? Specifically please, not 'his terrible behaviour' or other vague and inflammatory nonsense.

prettybird

As far as I can tell he has to apologise for being French, therefore a foreigner and thus it's a given that everything he says that is contrary to the utterances of anyone British is automatically a lie.

Interesting that the Canada deal exists and the word precedent is crucial.

It's been done before although wasn't it the Canada deal that nealry failed due to some farmers around Belgium?

Interesting that the Canada deal exists and the word precedent is crucial

You mean the Canada deal that doesnt solve the Northern Ireland boarder problem?

The Canada deal doesn't include services in the way that the City requires (only at the most basic level) and doesn't solve the Northern Irish border problem.

It also includes a MFN clause - so that anything the UK gets, Canada will expect too.

When they talk about a "Canada" deal they are not suggesting (I hope) copy-pasting the Canada deal. They are just talking about negotiating a free trade deal that is not as close as that with Norway but closer than than with (for eg) the USA or China. The terms will have to be negotiated and that will take several years.

If you think about it, it's obvious that the terms must be different: Canada's economy is heavily based on extractive industries and agriculture. It's a (physically) large country with rich natural resources. The UK is a small country with a large service economy.

It is possible that the checks could be done twenty miles away from the border in a relatively soft way. Or a border operated by technology possibly.

We need to face the fact NI is separate to the rest of Ireland, they are separate countries. If they choose to remain this way, and there is nothing to suggest otherwise, then a border of some kind will be needed. This doesn't have to take us back to the misery of the IRA times, but a grown up and mature solution will be required at some point.

A lot of work needs to be done and quickly to get any deal done or we are crashing out.

Barnier had some interesting options on the NI border in response to the Chequers proposals - that May dismissed out of hand without considering, presumably because she has her hands tied by the DUP.

That seems like disrespectful, or indeed - to use the OP's inflammatory rhetoric, "despicable" - behaviour on the part of the British, no?