To admire Theresa May

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As a woman. I don't agree with her policies and brexit strategies but I do think she is an amazingly strong and powerful figure, with the confidence to stick to her beliefs, even in the face of such negativity! That takes guts!
Watching her in Brussels surrounded by a crowd of important men, I did think good on her for standing up to them. Anyone agree?
She gets a lot of negative press and i never hear of her being shown as a role model for women.

Yabu. She is terrible.
You need a thick skin in politics. The EU27 leaders weren’t rude to her, they just rejected her ridiculous Chequers plan.

They’ve had 2 years. Brexiteers have had 40. Nothing beyond slogans.

At least May has won over the gutter press, this morning peddling jingoistic, divisive bile. What a victory

I used to feel a slight whiff of sympathy for her, but now I just think she's completely incompetent. She seems lacking in the inter-personal skills that are essential for diplomacy and she is completely intransigent - Barnier told her in July that the Chequers plan was unworkable because it was cherry-picking but she still carries on flogging a dead horse.

I think this has been one of her worst weeks in a dismal premiership. The EU were prepared to try and back her up before the Tory party conference but she went to Salzburg and treated everyone with belligerence, especially Varadkar when they met to discuss NI.

As for her ridiculous speech yesterday, I totally agree with this from the Independent that she sounded like a toddler stamping its foot. I thought she would hang on as PM until March as nobody else wants the job, but now I wouldn't be surprised if she's gone straight after the conference.

They were never going to deal the problem with Europe all the countries need to be happy. I am a REMAINER but I think we are leaving now and get out.

She has had an impossible task, she is a very experienced politician and probably the best we have across all parties.

She’s doing her best for the Conservative Party, not the country.

I’d probably admire her more if she stopped our arms sales to Saudi Arabia

They were never going to deal the problem with Europe all the countries need to be happy.

Which means a united negotiating position, unlike the Tories. The British attempt to break up the united front of the EU hasn't won her any favours.

Over the summer the EU were desperately trying to prop her up, not rub her nose in what a dreadful situation she was in, but all they've had in return is tantrums. Insisting that her red lines are immovable, but the EU's red lines will give if she keeps hammering away... it won't work.

We will leave with some dignity.

Dignity went out of the window quite some time ago.

Dignity went out of the window quite some time ago.

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The EU are wise to the UKs divide and rule tactics so trying to make deals with individual states won’t work.

The other EU countries don’t have as rigid a class system as the UK so unlike the British, they don’t go weak at the knees and start doffing their caps and tugging their forelocks to the first posh sounding person or double barrelled name person they see. Thus their politicians are usually brighter and more experienced because they made it the meritocratic way whereas we’ve got a bunch of people who went to the same school and got where they are because daddys friend sorted them out.

The EU will negotiators have and will continue to run rings around the arrogant British. David Davis was beyond arrogant and barely looked like he could be bothered to leave the golf course bar to deal with the irritating foreigners in the EU, couldn’t they see he was British?! They were supposed to just roll over in deference.

Anyone who watched TM hide from the Grenfell victims whilst the Queen went straight down and shook hands and still thinks TM should be admired needs to have a word with themselves.

I agree op I don't see how she can win.
She is surrounded on all sides.
Remainers are not interested in brexit at all. They don't want to helpful, they don't want to work with her, they want to stall it as much as they can hoping it will go away.
There are politicians actively working on this by going round Europe begging them to stall it for us.

Then she has the ardent brexiteer to deal with, probably pushing everything's she personally is agaisnt as a Remainers but she knows the vote was leave!
How can she win?

Well as I said on another thread, paraphrasing Frank field... Who said ages ago we need across party brexit cabinet.

Like Churchill set up a war cabinet we need a brexit cabinet to focus on this and get us through.
I'm astonished it hasn't happened yet??
Why?

So much time and energy has been wasted on people who do not accept the result.

I have no sympathy for her at all. I'm ashamed that she is our second female pm.

She doesn't have an impossible task. She has a job that she accepted knowing what was going on.

I'd admire her more if she put the country first by resigning and calling an election so we could push the Brexit date back. Maybe now so many know they were lied to and the Brexit campaign broke rules we could then sort out the mess properly.

I agree. I liked her speech. I may not be happy about the lack of a deal, but I did like her speech. I much prefer TM when she is delivering with emotion and strength. I hope she keeps it up!

The eu negotiators have one advantage. They are not hand tied by divided opinion.

In reality they probably are. Business and politics are very different beasts. Business is not going to be happy if the UK market is cut off from them. But the eu has its own special brand of nasal gazing.

Because we don't have a cross party brexit cabinet focused on brexit... How can our negotiators do anything??

They are being stopped.

We need a cross party brexit cabinet and that's all. Then we can move ahead and get on with it.

It's all very well the likes of Anna sourbury, chukka, smugly telling us with barely concealed contempt how dreadful the UK public is but if we end up with catastrophe... It's largely at their feet.

I would have had far more respect for them if they had said... We don't want this but that's the vote let's get the best deal we can.

Pony

You would admire her for directly going agaisnt democratic Vote which would cause a constitution crisis

Brexit will be a car crash. Sadly Leavers will blame her, not their own deluded thinking, because those who voted for it would then need to take some responsibility. It is an absolutely impossible situation, think she’s doing the best that anyone can in the circumstances. There is so little agreement on what deal is wanted on the UK side, how on earth can she win?

If not, blame the Tories who are allowing this to continue. Step in someone who can do better.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

I like her because she sounds sincere.

Say what? She cannot make an off-the-cuff speech so always sounds stilted and robotic because some advisor has told her what to say. The only thing I admire is her ability to Keep on Going. Cameron, Osborne, Davis and Johnson have all thrown in the towel.

I don't think lying to an electorate and breaking elections rules re funding democratic.

Lies always come back to haunt hence the shit storm we now find ourselves in which many who chose to ignore the fake news knew would happen.

How is resigning and calling an election undemocratic? Pushing the date back so the whole nightmare can be sorted out properly is surely sensible. I see only ineptitude and lack of any credible plan at the moment. You'd rather a no deal?

Didn't she screw the Windrush generation over and then get Amber rudd to take the blame?
I can't stand her. Her policies are wrecking peoples lives and at the end of the day ppl like her will be okay when the country dives.

I agree op. I couldn’t believe the way David Cameron disappeared after the exit vote and so clearly hadn’t bothered to consider both options.
TM must have known she was taking on a poisoned challis from the start, the tories (and the country) have been split on this for 40 years.
So while I might not agree with all TM’s views, I honestly can’t think of another MP who would take all the stress and the bile, accept the leave vote, and not jump ship.

No.

I actually think she might be worse than thatcher on a personal level.

Thatcher looked at her expenses/wages/the bill for redecorating downing St when she came into power and rejected a chunk of it (something like refusing to let the taxpayer pay for brand new curtains and bedding when what was there already was perfectly fine, and refusing her full salary because it was too high)

While Theresa May walks around wearing literal diamond encrusted shoes and NHS nurses are having to use food banks.

All in this together are we now? Really?

As Home Secretary she wanted to create a hostile environment for illegal immigrants. She wanted every department to have blood on their hands. She tried to implement passport checks in schools and wanted good school places to be taken away from the children of illegal immigrants and for them to be deprioritised (she was told no by Nicky Morgan). She had those vans going around with billboards telling illegal immigrants to go home that the ASA then banned.

She created the conditions for the Windrush scandal, and then she let Amber Rudd take the blame.

And doesn’t anyone remember the dreadful election campaign? Fox hunting?? She’ll say whatever she thinks/has been advised people want to hear and has no idea of how it actually sounds.