Macron's behaviour is despicable

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I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

Thoughts?

Ethel How utterly ridiculous to say I voted out. I certainly did not.

Sorry Lala it's just that most people who insist that France is a disaster zone are Brexit voters scraping at the bottom of the barrel for reasons why we're better off out.

It’s an easy mistake to make Ethel I am a Remainer but I do try to see the bigger picture rather than stick to an entrenched position.

Puzzledandpissedoff

It's really very sad because most people are still lovely...but the idea of the border issue being rocked, with Stormont already out of action, is terrifying. People will die.

I live in Germany and there is bewilderment that a UK government and PM could be so inept
Britain's previously high reputation for competence and being good in a crisis has really plummeted

Brexit is never mentioned in conversation here unless I mention it
Then people just laugh and shake their heads at what a chaotic mess May's government is making of it

May ruled out an EEA / EFTA deal that most Leavers and Remainers could come together and accept.
It would have caused minimum economic damage, that most people wouldn't even notice.

Then she keeps pushing her "Chequers" plan that even her own Cabinet and party won't accept

• Boris and David Davis resigned over it; conference will pan it and the House of Commons won't pass it Worst of all, the EU told her from the beginning it was unacceptable

Pointless waste of time to keep pushing a plan that all sides hate

For the EU to accept May's plan and her red lines would mean dismantling the SIngle Market on which their prosperity depends
For a country that is leaving
It was always arrogant and delusional to think they would do that

Just like with brexit many many people have had an awful time and want to leave the eu whilst others had no idea /experience of that and enjoyed the benefits, and they can't understand why people want to leave

Of course this is true.

However, i look at the shite conditions many live in in the UK and i see that the same politicians will be running things, post brexit.... the same people who can't run a railway, who don't fund womens refuges, who can't fund the NHS or who cut Police numbers, they'll still be in charge and they won't change because they all hold ordinary people in contempt, we are just a means to an end.

Well I'm sorry I jumped to conclusions. I just get a bit sick of it, you know? These pompous Brexiters saying, "Europe's failing, we're better off getting off the ship before it sinks, look at France!" as if France is some kind of shit hole, when I live here and I know it's not perfect but it's certainly functioning a hell of a lot better than the UK at the moment. And I dread to think what state the UK will be in come April.

The EU will not support a deal that does not benefit them, the same way we won't. No deal is the only possible outcome and it was always going to be this way since the vote. Nobodies fault except the voters

Big choc again are you serious!

The Germans whose own government is fragile and falling away with every new election, whose citizens are furious on many fronts and who have a deeply deeply worrying resurgence of the bloody nazi party have time to critise the UK 😂😂😂😂.

I think that energy would be better expended on who is going to be buying their cars. And how they are going to put the nazis back in their box!!

Ethel. I was hoping to come to a cordial conclusion but your still trying to suggest that your speaking for France... Because a few people tell you they laugh at us.

How many people remain or leave will honestly care that monsieur Barnard from the bolongerie thinks the UK is stupid.

@jasjas1973 this!

I believe it is exactly why so many people outside of large cities voted leave. It was the only way to make the establishment take notice of them.

Ethel with respect how can you tell however the UK is functioning if you don't live here?

Are you upset because your a UK citizen, you live in France and your worried about your own position?

I live in France and agree with E

Autumnwindy

This is exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Assuming that other countries are going to the dogs and that their people's opinions are worthless because they're not BRITISH special snowflakes and wilfully ignoring the fact that your own country is an absolute clusterfuck at the moment and that the people you look down on think we have lost the plot.

It's such an unattractive British trait.

Any observer can look at the U.K. and identify we are fucking cluster fuck of a country.

In fact if you couldn't work out we are in the shit you would be an idiot.

You don't have to live here to know that - you really, really don't.

the same way we won't.

I don't support a no deal. Is this the Royal WE you are using?

I'm quite sad that people didn't spot the OP a mile off, tbh. Pages of fighting - again - because some paid shill has lit the touchpaper and buggered off.

Please be aware of this before weighing in on these threads.

Employment rights will be the first thing the stories will change. No more working time directive, no more set number of holidays, sick pay etc etc etc.

Ethel throw us a life jacket please?

So your not worried about the resurgence of the nazi party ok then.

I'm sorry but I just hear a bitter poster whose own lifestyle maybe affected by brexit.

And rightly so, if that's the case I certainly wouldn't blame you or anyone for feeling angry because their lifestyle will be under threat.
But that's also how many leaver voters felt, their lives were, are affected and they felt angry and they wanted a vote and they voted leave.

Why is my lifestyle under threat? I would be more worried about your own to be honest. I don't think there are likely to be food and medicine shortages here.

Oops, hit too soon. Just to say, I agree with Ethel. Different countries measure unemployment in different ways and zero hour contracts are not v common here for example. Like any country, of course France has issues but it’s certainly no worse than the UK. I moved from the UK to France and my quality of life, and that of my kids, is much better than had I stayed in the UK.

I’m an Irish citizen and very happy with Macron’s comments. Hilarious that the Brexiters are getting so sniffy after insulting most of Europe over the last few years, and being particularly condescending and ignorant about Ireland. Given that May also supported that nasty little fascist Orban last week, in addition to being rude tO the Taoiseach and Barnier, think President Macron was very restrained.

@ShackUp if you read the thread you'll see we did, actually.

I'm glad at least people realise this happens now. They didn't pre-referendum.

The UK has its own issues at the moment. I glance across the whole eu and each country has its own issues. But many share the same issues and problems. Non are problem free.

This is what I can't understand....

Sorry moolatron it's just so bloody long and people are still arguing

*mookatron