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Macron's behaviour is despicable

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 09:50

I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

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Ta1kinpeace · 21/09/2018 18:07

LARLARLAND
We are the third and we contribute more than the next 26 EU countries combined
Bilge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union#EU-28_contributions_(2014)

Want2bSupermum · 21/09/2018 18:09

France is about to get half the bill the UK used to pick up and Macron is doing a great job of trying to stop that happening. Germany is doing the same.

A second referendum?!? We already had one and the majority of the people want to leave. Hard Brexit it is. I would imagine the German manufacturers would want a deal within 6 months.

youlethergo · 21/09/2018 18:09

Our problem is that we are known for dropping our drawers and bending over without making a fuss

Totally untrue. Part of the reason the EU makes a point of reassuring Britain that it could return on the same terms is because those terms were very good.

LARLARLAND · 21/09/2018 18:10

Yes Talkin Inshouldnhave said lowest 26, not next 26.

Want2bSupermum · 21/09/2018 18:10

Also I'd put Frank Field in charge of Brexit. He has had some brilliant ideas concerning this area.

Ta1kinpeace · 21/09/2018 18:10

The total Budget of the EU as a body is only three times what the UK government spends on debt interest in a year

Ta1kinpeace · 21/09/2018 18:11

LARLARLAND
should have said lowest 26, not next 26
Piffle
How many countries do you think are in the EU ?????

youlethergo · 21/09/2018 18:12

Puzzledandpissedoff

Inform yourself.

Yes it's a lovely place with lovely people. Do you know that they're also the kneecapping capital of the world? Also a long history of violence and political tension that hasn't stopped.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 21/09/2018 18:13

A second referendum?!? We already had one and the majority of the people want to leave.

Yeah we already had a second referendum because some people moaned for 40 years about the result of the first one, despite it being won by a landslide majority.

Then they through cheating and lies got a wafer thin victory in the second referendum and are acting as though that settles the issue for all eternity.

Hypocrites.

placemats · 21/09/2018 18:14

After that speech, there is only one solution for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There is going to be another referendum.

It's the only way May can keep her position as leader of the Conservatives, as Prime Minister of this current government and Parliament; and, most crucially, the only way to avoid a general election.

I'm happy with this. It's a smack in the face for Corbynites and it also paves the way for a new centrist party.

LARLARLAND · 21/09/2018 18:14

You’re right Talkin. I blame my flu! I should get a job with Boris. The number is more like 23 countries than 26. I have posted the statistics I would rely on (not Wikipedia) above.

Isitsixoclockalready · 21/09/2018 18:15

FrankUnderwoodsWife kind of underlines the question why we want to risk all of that by leaving the EU.

Havanananana · 21/09/2018 18:15

We are only a couple of generations removed from terrible World Wars and I think the unspoken truth is that wanting to avoid a similar episode in the future is a big motive behind a united Europe.

Talk about understatement! The miracle of peace that most of Europe has enjoyed over the last 70 years is the foundation of the EU. Cooperation in place of conflict; compromise instead of confrontation. It has also contributed to peace in Northern Ireland over the last 20 years. Churchill was one of the major promotors of the idea after the war. The Four Freedoms, trade deals, common standards etc. are the means by which this peace is to be achieved and maintained.

Compare and contrast with the bombastic rantings of Johnson and the other chief Brexiters, talking about hard competition, and going to war with the enemy, Johnson even glibly and shamefully talking about gunboats and WW3.

ShackUp · 21/09/2018 18:15

OP isn't a moderate Remainer. OP is pretending to be one.That's all I'm saying.

Spreadingcudweed · 21/09/2018 18:16

Frankunderwoodswife suggest you read the transcript of Andrew Marr's interview with Dyson in which he makes no bones about taking full advantage of the "flexible" employment market post Brexit.

Ta1kinpeace · 21/09/2018 18:21

LARLARLAND
Using your link,
UK contributions are third, Italy and Spain are four and five
adding up 6,7,8 and 9 comes to 13.89% = more than the UK contribution
so your assertion is destroyed by your own link.
Try harder next time

littlechocolatechippies · 21/09/2018 18:21

What worries me as a citizen of a differemt EU country is that nobody has made any plans on what will happen after March.

What is going to happen to all of us living in the UK, married to British citizens and with British children?

Will we be kicked out? Does anybody who voted in the referendum even cares? It's such an incredibly stressful situation.

FrankUnderwoodsWife · 21/09/2018 18:22

I would love to see Angela Rayner become the leader of the Labour party and if she was, would beat the tories by a bigger margin than Blair.

What Corbyn’s supporters and Momentum have done to the Labour Party is shameful.

I saw Margaret Hodge yesterday at an event, and she had two 6ft plus bodyguards with her because of the threats she has received over her outspoken stance on anti sematism. We had a 10minute 1on1 where she admitted she wouldn’t have the stomach to enter politics now (Tangent but related to shit show we are currently living).

LARLARLAND · 21/09/2018 18:23

Talkin I have said several times that the Uk is the third biggest contributor and I corrected myself that my assertion that we contributed more that next 26 was wrong!

Havanananana · 21/09/2018 18:23

I would imagine the German manufacturers would want a deal within 6 months

Give it a rest.

In 2016, Johnson said 'they would be desperate for free trade after we Vote Leave. Of course EU countries will continue trading with us on a tariff free basis - they would be damaging their own commercial interests if they didn’t. That’s why EU politicians would be banging down the door for a trade deal on Friday.'

At the same time, Davis predicted, 'Within minutes of a vote for Brexit the CEO’s of Mercedes, BMW, VW and Audi will be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding that there be no barriers to German access to the British market. And this is not just German cars. The same will happen with Shell and Unilever in the Netherlands, EDF, EADS and the viticultural trade associations in France, Seat in Spain, and Fiat and the fashion designers in Italy.'

It was bluster and bullshit then; it is bluster and bullshit today.

placemats · 21/09/2018 18:28

OP isn't a moderate Remainer. OP is pretending to be one.

Agreed.

1tisILeClerc · 21/09/2018 18:28

German manufacturers have been told by their equivalent of the CBI that basically the UK has gone and to not rely on it if at all possible.

It is a massive undertaking to shift a whole car assembly plant but if that is what it takes I would anticipate to do it. Most likely they will continue as now but gradually remove bits and wind the UK operations down. Might take a few years.
Europe has been making contingency plans for 2 years and every 'spat' and delay that the UK gov have come up with reinforces their view that the UK is not the place to do business. They exist to make money, the don't make cars for love.

Autumnwindy · 21/09/2018 18:28

I guess Ethel is speaking about her experience. She can't possibly hope to speak for that vast country 😁. In her area, her friends this is her view.

UK intelligence is excellent. We are not relying on the eu for help there.