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Macron's behaviour is despicable

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 09:50

I am a moderate remainer, I say that because I do feel we should respect the vote. I am not a remainer who think a second ref will help. A second ref won't help regardless of the outcome, because the other side will simply demand another one, and another and so it would go on indefinitely and it is utterly futile and pointless.

I had come to the conclusion that a good deal would be the best outcome in the end. However I am just appalled at the behaviour and language coming out of the EU, and particularly Macron.

I am now even thinking what is the point? What is the point in continuing with any 'deal'? They are clearly not remotely interested.

May (for all her faults, and she has many) should gather her dignity and call it a day. We were there in good faith, the chequers plan is not perfect but it was a starting point. I had hoped it would work. It would have offered a solution of sorts.

I have cancelled our holiday next year to France. I don't want to go anywhere so openly hostile, despite the fact we have been holidaying there for my entire living life. I can't support Macron's comments that were both needlessly humiliating and rude to our prime minister.

Thoughts?

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jasjas1973 · 21/09/2018 14:35

I think they’re going to struggle if we walk away with our £39bn

No they wont, its an amount over decades. Do you know the size of the EU's combined GDP ?
We are spending more than that building a railway no one wants.

Quietrebel · 21/09/2018 14:35

This speech means no deal sadly. Over the summer the EU already explained in fact how Chequers can't work so there is nothing new here. I think TM simply wants to prepare the British public to the prospect of no deal...

Hesta54 · 21/09/2018 14:35

goodbyestranger There are some fantastic tradesmen out there, why are we fighting amongst ourselves, trying to belittle people, it’s a shame how Parliament has got the people to turn on each other, we should be turning on the Parliament, who for years have let us down, divide and conquer

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 14:36

Donald Tusk's photo and caption was hugely disrespectful too.

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Isitsixoclockalready · 21/09/2018 14:36

OP, I agree about Boris although obviously she can't just pass the baton on to someone else and I can't see Boris ever winning a leadership contest.

Confusedbeetle · 21/09/2018 14:38

Undercover banana
"According to my friends from various countries around the world, we are a laughing stock. We have all sorts of domestic problems that are being ignored while we are busy committing suicide with Brexit. It’s embarrassing."

Not what I have heard in Germany and Italy or Greece

Hesta54 · 21/09/2018 14:38

Isitsixoclockalready Didn’t Tony Blair as good as pass the baton to Gordon Brown

whistl · 21/09/2018 14:38

Sakura7 that's not what I am saying... and historically I'm at least as irish as you are (i.e. 100%) so your history is my history

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 14:38

Quietrebel Yes it is a no deal in not so many words. I can't say I blame her for inserting the part about respect. At the very least she should expect this.

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IdahoJones · 21/09/2018 14:39

No Deal has been May's end all all along - but why? To de-rail the whole thing?

IdahoJones · 21/09/2018 14:40

end game, I mean

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 14:41

IdahoJones

I believe TM has every intention of a deal, why wouldn't she? My understanding is that she was a remainer than understood the leave concerns. Not unlike myself. Her position is one of bridging the two and coming up with a solution.

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 14:42

It looks like no deal hence sterling selling off.

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IdahoJones · 21/09/2018 14:42

Didn’t Tony Blair as good as pass the baton to Gordon Brown

They still had to follow the Party rules

Annandale · 21/09/2018 14:43

My God this is humiliating. TM could have spent 2 years selling EEA to the nation, or telling DUP that the border at the ports was the only option and to resign or get with the programme. Instead she has ponced around laying down red lines and now we are in a tight little red box OF HER OWN MAKING. Her inability to be flexible or to do a sales job is so bloody disastrous. I would still shout at Cameron first if they were both standing in front of me but actually his vapid PR bullshit is just what we needed after a grade A fuckup like the referendum.

Satsumaeater · 21/09/2018 14:43

Surely no deal means a hard border in Ireland anyway. So it's not any sort of solution.

AND it will lead to another referendum in Scotland about dissolving the Union.

No deal makes no sense on any level and that's completely ignoring all the other issues, the economic damage etc.

HPFA · 21/09/2018 14:43

Would you want her job? Be my guest.

What does that have to do with anything? She is utterly delusional - demanding that the EU solve problems that we have created is absurd.

She could have worked with the Labour party and the sane members of her own party to put together a sensible Norway style Brexit that would have protected our economy and protected Northern Ireland. She could have supported people like Ivan Rogers who had unrivalled experience of wheeler dealing in Brussels and who might have had some idea of how to get the main players onside. She could have chosen not to alienate large parts of the population with her "citizens of nowhere" speech. She could have stopped her efforts to go over Barnier's head which she was told would not work.

If I was in her position I would have listened to what experts on doing business with the EU were telling me. That alone would have given me a better chance of salvaging something from the mess that DC created.

LittleLionMansMummy · 21/09/2018 14:43

I feel sorry for TM. She was the only one with the guts to take on this poison chalice, she's in a place where everyone hates her, from every direction, whatever she does or says and she cannot possibly win over her Tory party, the opposition, the EU, Remainers or Brexiters. Her political career is over, whether she resigns now or hangs on for another election. Her colleagues keep lobbing grenades at her from the sidelines and coming up with no other answers. She keeps having her fashion and ability to dance pored over in every newspaper. You have to give her credit, she must be incredibly resilient to hang on like she does and keep coming back fighting. I'd have been silently rocking in a corner, sobbing, long ago.

Disclaimer: I've never voted Tory in my life, and am a hardline Remainer who strongly supports a people's vote.

Motheroffourdragons · 21/09/2018 14:43

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Snowymountainsalways · 21/09/2018 14:43

I don't think TM would ever pass the baton to Boris!

I don't think she intends to go anywhere, and they will have to force a contest before she leaves going by today.

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BadderWolf · 21/09/2018 14:44

No Deal has been May's end all all along - but why?

Follow the money. Jacob Rees Mogg, john redwood, Crispin Odey, her husband, Arron Banks and Garage with their russian gold deals. All work in roles that make a killing out of trashing GBP.

Her speech has sunk it 1.5%

Isitsixoclockalready · 21/09/2018 14:44

There would be a leadership contest though - May couldn't just hand over power and Boris is a busted flush.

pointythings · 21/09/2018 14:44

I'm still completely Hmm and Confused at all those people, here and elsewhere, who seem to think that the EU should 'be flexible' by fundamentally changing the way it does things to suit a country that is leaving.

Anyone who thinks that is a reasonable thing to say is clearly on glue.

The UK caused the problems by leaving. It's therefore up to the UK to fix their problems.

Confusedbeetle · 21/09/2018 14:44

Snowy I get the impression that you area very nice person that is disappointed that politicians are not having a reasonable debate and acting like gentlemen. This is sad but they won't, they are politicians. I am glad that you have opened and continued civilised comments, unlike the vitriol that is spewing out on this post. It is not politics that has split the nation, it is the people who have hurled abuse at anyone who happens to have a different view than their own. That is a huge sadness to me, but not a great surprise. Whatever happens in the future, it is impossible to forget some of the nastiness.

DarlingNikita · 21/09/2018 14:44

She could have worked with the Labour party and the sane members of her own party to put together a sensible Norway style Brexit that would have protected our economy and protected Northern Ireland. She could have supported people like Ivan Rogers who had unrivalled experience of wheeler dealing in Brussels and who might have had some idea of how to get the main players onside. She could have chosen not to alienate large parts of the population with her "citizens of nowhere" speech. She could have stopped her efforts to go over Barnier's head which she was told would not work.

Yes.

Much more sensible than the pissing about she has in fact been doing.