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Original poster

to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

999 replies

HurricaneFloss · 20/09/2018 13:25

DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

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RedToothBrush · 27/09/2018 12:23

When are we abolishing the commonwealth?

10degreestostarboard · 27/09/2018 12:37

Red toothbrush

A good point well made -exit from the commonwealth wouldn’t cause economic Armageddon....

Unlike the eu

Fawful · 27/09/2018 12:56

Withdrawing from the commonwealth wouldn't cause Armageddon , therefore the UK can stay in it - curious logic.
The point of staying a
member of an international organisation is that it is in our benefit, that's all. It doesn't matter where good governance comes from, good governance is good governance. For all its faults The EU doesn't deal with political opponents with nerve agents and its members
have agreed on a minimum welfare state so no one will die of hunger, that's what it promotes, & it's a powerful force.
How are we still discussing this?

Fawful · 27/09/2018 12:57

Withdrawing from the commonwealth wouldn't cause Armageddon , therefore the UK can stay in it - curious logic.
The point of staying a
member of an international organisation is that it is in our benefit, that's all. It doesn't matter where good governance comes from, good governance is good governance. For all its faults The EU doesn't deal with political opponents with nerve agents and its members
have agreed on a minimum welfare state so no one will die of hunger, that's what it promotes, & it's a powerful force.
How are we still discussing this?

1tisILeClerc · 27/09/2018 13:01

{Why is it sensible to be so utterly reliant on an international organisation? It is a single point of failure}
The EU establishes trading rules, it doesn't grow tomatoes.
Through the EU and it's standardisation of products you know that what you are buying is of a certain quality and won't kill you or make you sick.
Would you buy eggs or baby milk formula from China? Many EU countries do a great deal of trade with China BECAUSE they know it's source and quality. I don't know if it is ongoing but some places in China manufacture 'fake' eggs to eat. The baby milk fiasco there has caused many infant deaths.

jasjas1973 · 27/09/2018 13:10

Now I know that no country is self sufficient in areas like food and energy, but how can it make sense that we are so utterly dependent on an outside body such as the eu?

Thoughtless statement, we are totally reliant on NATO for our security, we don't elect anyone to its organisation and we have signed up to defend little Estonia should it be attacked by the Russians, who voted for that?????

Leave NATO.

TheElementsSong · 27/09/2018 13:27

Withdrawing from the commonwealth wouldn't cause Armageddon , therefore the UK can stay in it - curious logic.

Grin
bellinisurge · 27/09/2018 13:58

We could leave the Solar System. Bloody imposition of day and night.

TheElementsSong · 27/09/2018 14:13

Indeed! Why, the very fact that we genuinely are "utterly dependent" and that leaving the Solar System would result in the literal End of the World shows that we must leave it!

DGRossetti · 27/09/2018 14:14

Withdrawing from the commonwealth wouldn't cause Armageddon

I think Brenda might disagree ...

10degreestostarboard · 27/09/2018 14:22

Jasjas

Totally reliant on nato?

How exactly?

10degreestostarboard · 27/09/2018 14:24

Jas

Will tell you the answer - we remain a key player in defence and one of the few nations to maintain an independent deployable force and a nuclear deterrent

So nothing like our dependence on the eu then

FishesaPlenty · 27/09/2018 14:33

We have Lancashire and Cheshire die hards up here in the NW

I was chatting to the lady in the chippy last night about her being born in Cheshire (in 1974) on a City of Manchester overspill estate which suddenly became part of Trafford. And now she's in that part of Cheshire which used to be Lancashire, and just about to leave Europe.

10degreestostarboard · 27/09/2018 14:40

You can buy into your ‘one world one planet’ free love bolleaux all you like but Britain is a single nation state

The eu seeks to dilute that and has to go

10degreestostarboard · 27/09/2018 14:43

We have become addicted to the eu and now we need to go cold turkey

DGRossetti · 27/09/2018 14:45

but Britain is a single nation state

Hmm

poor Scotland ...

FishesaPlenty · 27/09/2018 14:52

We have become addicted to the eu and now we need to go cold turkey

Is it 'addiction' or is it better described as a symbiotic relationship?

I had an old tree in my garden with Ivy growing all the way through it. The ivy kept spreading over the garden so I put a lot of effort into removing it from the tree, the ground surrounding the tree, the adjoining fence etc.

Two years on I have no ivy in my garden but the tree died and the fence has collapsed.

I think the UK leaving the EU is analogous to the situation of conjoined twins, where one of the twins' body is so reliant on the other's organs that to separate them would probably be fatal for at least one of them.

TheElementsSong · 27/09/2018 15:10

Britain is a single nation state

Which historical period?

Freedom for Mercia I say! War with Wessex!

RedToothBrush · 27/09/2018 15:24

Don't mention Normandy...

FishesaPlenty · 27/09/2018 15:25

We are Normandy.

Figmentofmyimagination · 27/09/2018 15:26

People seem not to realise that this is about the long term future of this country. It is no where we are in 2 or 5 years time, but 20 or 50 years

"In the long term we'll all be dead". John Maynard Keynes.

DGRossetti · 27/09/2018 15:29

We are Normandy.

Grin

Keep going, and there's only one place to end on ...

You finned cunt !

RedToothBrush · 27/09/2018 15:32

Roman?

LaurieMarlow · 27/09/2018 15:32

So leavers can see into the future now? Hmm

We can't make plans based on what'll happen in 50 years. We haven't got a clue.

In 50 years, Russia may be the dominant world power and allying itself with China. The US could be in serious decline.

I bet staying in the EU would look like a good idea in those circumstances.

Figmentofmyimagination · 27/09/2018 15:33

*This whole thread misses a massive point

Let’s say the worst fears of those on these threads come true - how can it be in our national interest that we are so at the mercy of what is essentially a foreign body for our day to day survival?

Now I know that no country is self sufficient in areas like food and energy, but how can it make sense that we are so utterly dependent on an outside body such as the eu?

One gets the sense that this is last chance for an exit - after this there would be no getting off the eu bus and how is that either practically sensible or democratic?

Remainders are like heroin addicts - they blame the absence of the drug, not the addiction*

Have you read Noah Yuval Harari's "21 Lessons for the 21st Century"? Try it - in all good bookshops - It might just make you pause for thought before making your "massive" point again.