to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

www.cnbc.com/2017/08/01/leave-voters-thinking-brexit-is-worth-damaging-the-economy-poll.html

Here you go.

{Rule Britannia- Britinia Rules the waves}
Where the waves are from Europe accompanied by a song.
So long, Farewell, Aufwiedersehen goodbye.....

That 'report' was from 1 August 2017.
How many lies have been uncovered since then, over 13 months ago?

I’m not entirely sure what your point is 1tisILeClerc (not in a snippy way, I’m genuinely not sure what point you’re making or which side of the debate you’re on).

But the poll asked participants, regardless of whether they thought economic harm was likely, was significant economic harm to the country a price worth paying to get their way on Brexit.

Generally, Leavers were in support of significantly damaging the economy as a means to the end.

There was a strong correlation with age. The older the respondent the more likely they were to be content with causing economic harm. Younger Brexiters, who will have to live with the consequences, were much less likely to feel the same.

Did the respondents understand the question ?

I’d presume that a leading polling company would make sure that participants understand the poll.

The fact that there are clear trends also suggests that people understood the questions (or, I suppose, that people voting for Brexit are more likely to be too stupid to understand a yes/no question and that stupidity increases with age).

Brexit is a catastrophe. Thank god my children have outs (US passports).

How do they ensure that the respondents understand the question? Do they explain the implications of a damaged economy before asking the question?

In five years time very few people will admit to voting for remain.

Personally I think when people respond they think about damage to the economy being 'in theory '. Also I then think it moves people onto thinking it'll be like the war...(which was far more miserable than the films or nostalgic second hand memories convey. )

@bridgetoc - not a sensible comment. Unless some twat is planning to shoot me, I'll happily say I voted Remain. I'll happily say I misjudged it if that is proved to be the case.
Very happy with an outcome where the worst thing is me being embarrassed. I'll take that.

'Great Britain's independence day' . nope. If this folly goes ahead it will be the day Great Britain became little England signed up for bondage to the US, exit from G7 and expulsion from the security council.

In five years time very few people will admit to voting for remain

Why?

We won't be expelled from the security council. I think we will drop out of the g7 as a direct consequence of Brexit though. Our international standing has already been damaged by this. At some point in the near future India's economy will overtake ours, this is a good thing and was always going to happen. India has more than a billion people, it should have a bigger economy than us. And before some numb skull comes along and says 'we can trade with India' we already can and do, and any trade deal we do with India will be less favourable (for us) than we would have got within the EU because of the reduced size of the market we can offer.

“Great Britain’s Independence Day”

Sound like something Trump might say and that’s not a compliment.

How did we ever manage before we joined the EU purely as a trade agreement which morphed into way more than we ever signed up for?

Surely we weren't Lied to about what we were voting for?

Oh, and I am forgetting that no one ever visited or studied in Europe prior to our joining.

Great Britain has much to be proud of and just like every other country, much not, but I really resent anyone who says ours was a shit country before we joined the EU.

That is disgraceful and so disrespectful to all of those Brits who have given so much to the world.

LEELULUMPKIN the U.K. was in a mess when we joined the EU. Also, looking back to 1972 is irrelevant. The world has moved on and changed we can't go back. Most regions of the world now have local trading blocs we can't hope to start up where we left off 40+ years ago.

Great Britain has much to be proud of and just like every other country, much not, but I really resent anyone who says ours was a shit country before we joined the EU

Shame we’re such a clusterfuck of an embarrassment now.

How did we manage? Because it was a different world back then.

We have now lost all our colonies. We have seen the rise of China which is steadily moving into so many areas of business. Very many fewer people did visit or study in Europe.

We weren't actually voting to join the EEC - we were already in and ended up voting to stay in. I forget now just how many General Elections we have had since that vote, but politicians usually put something in their manifestos about it. Did they lie about what they intended to do?

Many of those people who really did sacrifice something for the UK namely the ones who lived through the war, voted Remain but I suspect no Leaver wants to hear that.

"Great Britain has much to be proud of and just like every other country, much not, but I really resent anyone who says ours was a shit country before we joined the EU.

That is disgraceful and so disrespectful to all of those Brits who have given so much to the world."
Hyperbole won't keep the shelves full.

Moose, I hear you, I genuinely do. As you have quite rightly said the world has moved on and we have moved with it.

Technology has changed the way the world trades, we are a global economy now, so why just restrict ourselves to a local agreement?

The very fact that the world has moved on is one of many reasons our membership of the EU became such an issue, hence the demand for the vote in the first place.

I just get so fed up with all the negativity. We entered the EU in good faith, not really knowing what we were signing up for and many good things have come from it.

There is no reason whatsoever that Brexit cannot give us the same opportunities

The vote has happened, why can’t we all pull together and make it work?

And to return to your most important point, the world has changed and our dealings with it must change too.

"That is disgraceful and so disrespectful to all of those Brits who have given so much to the world."

Is this the new "How dare you complain about xx, don't you know people died in The War?!"

You could also add that 'before' we still had manufacturing industry, a steel industry, coal mines. Much of this has now gone, and won't come back.

Elements, no I was referring to our contributions to science, technology, innovation, music, the arts, education, research, women’s rights, medicine, engineering and democracy.