to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Rule Britannia- Britinia Rules the waves.

Now you are just making us giggle.

I presume you are being sarcastic libertarian

Quite frankly the leave vote was well over due, and in the years to come the day of the referendum will be remembered as Great Britain's Independence Day.

Reading threads like this makes wish I'd voted leave rather than remain.

Frankly, the fact that leaving the EU is going to wreak such havoc should be a strong indicator of how poor a decision it was to enter the EU in the first place, especially with the extreme lack of forethought that appears to have gone played into the decision.

Frankly, the fact that leaving the EU is going to wreak such havoc should be a strong indicator of how poor a decision it was to enter the EU in the first place, especially with the extreme lack of forethought that appears to have gone played into the decision.

But we didn't join what we're leaving. The EU has been shaped by all it's member countries - including the UK. It's not the EUs fault that while other countries took their membership seriously, and engaged properly and returned sensible MEPs, the UK pissed about and saw things as a "joke". If the UK had been paying attention all these years (or rather the part of the UK that Brexiteers live in) it would know how much the UK and EU are entwined. A union which has saved the UK a fortune over the decades by sharing effort for communal reward.

There was no lack of forethought that went into joining the EEC. The UK wanted to join for years.

Its good to know our MP's are so well versed on Tariff schedules.

twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1043476090914852864

He is taken apart in the comments section.... not that Leavers will read any of those.

not that Leavers will read any of those.

Well, not without pictures.

DGRossettit yet another well reasoned response. You wonder why leavers get narked?

DGRossettit yet another well reasoned response. You wonder why leavers get narked?

Generally I am at pains to differentiate Leavers and Brexiteers.

Which are you ?

1950s gammon men nice racist slur there...

Ship has sailed and unless climate change gets sorted out kids will have worse things to worry about than a political union that might not even last that long.

Rossetti, I'm a well educated, politically aware person. I am as informed about this whole affair as any other lay person, just as many many leavers are. Like many leavers, I am sick to the back teeth of the attitude of remainers that leavers are thick.
It shows a lack of intelligence and awareness to assume that just because somebody doesn't agree with your political viewpoint, they are less intelligent than you are.

Rossetti, I'm a well educated, politically aware person. I am as informed about this whole affair as any other lay person, just as many many leavers are. Like many leavers, I am sick to the back teeth of the attitude of remainers that leavers are thick. It shows a lack of intelligence and awareness to assume that just because somebody doesn't agree with your political viewpoint, they are less intelligent than you are.

So not a Brexiteer. I apologise for the slip saying "Leavers" when I meant Brexiteers. Because they do lack intelligence.

So not a Brexiteer. I apologise for the slip saying "Leavers" when I meant Brexiteers. Because they do lack intelligence
sorry, I don't understand? are you still saying all people who voted leave are thick. if you could explain in a more rational manner please as your post is not the most intelligently worded

sorry, I don't understand? are you still saying all people who voted leave are thick. if you could explain in a more rational manner please as your post is not the most intelligently worded

Brexiteer - One who voted leave: "To get rid of foreigners"; "To take back control"; "Because I want bent bananas"; ; etc. And who, when pressed for an example of why they dislike the EU invariably mentions something the UK government was in charge of.

Leaver - One who voted leave from a carefully researched and articulated view. For example that the direction the EU was taking, and some of it's internal policies were undermining the non-EU parts of Europe to the extent that the UKs leaving was the best way to address it. Either by causing a change in EU policy, or by allowing the UK to work with other European countries outside the EU. There may be other such viewpoints, but equally valid since they address reality, not peoples distorted view of such.

This being the internet, not the Oxford Union, sometimes writing can become a tad garbled. But hopefully never to the extent that I'm actually writing the opposite of what I meant.

Polling shows that a majority of Brexiters believe harming the economy and causing job losses is a price worth payinig. A significant portion would even be okay with family members losing their jobs.

I think it’s part racism, part spite and partly so that when they’re on their deathbed they can say ‘well at least I was REALLY British ‘.

I don’t think it’s racism, just a misguided belief that turning back the clock is genuinely possible and desirable. Not because there were less weirdly foreigners around back them but because the world used to work in a way that made sense to them and globalisation has undone most of their common sense and left them frightened and concerned.

1950s gammon men nice racist slur there...

I agree.
Bellini, do you also refer to people as 'chavs'?

Polling shows that a majority of Brexiters believe harming the economy and causing job losses is a price worth payinig
ooh, I missed this: you got a link?

Price worth paying for what is the question on many minds though isn't it? To become a sad, lonely little isolated lump of rock out in the North Sea mumbling on about the good old days when we mined 'stuff' and the world map was a genial shade of pink?

vandrew4 -

Here you go: www.ft.com/content/1b636ba8-76b3-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71

A majority of Leavers say Brexit is worth causing significant harm to the economy. 40% feel the same about their own family members losing their jobs.

sorry splurge I can't access it.