to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

As always Brexit supporters talk about democracy but know pitifully little about it. They want U.K. sovereignty but have no understanding of what it is.

'Sovereignty' can't be ceded to the EU - a democratic organisation - but it can be handed over to the WTO. A 'vote' must be adhered to despite the fact we live in a parliamentary democracy where Parliament can not be bound.

You want notional ideas of sovereignty and democracy but you have no idea what they are and how they are practically applied.

"As a slight aside is there anything positive we can do?Before or after?"
Yes, focus on you and yours. Consider prepping- not ina scary way, plenty of advice on here even a dedicated topic. Ride out any horrible stuff with a bit more confidence that you can feed your family, keep them warm and occupied. Without freaking you or them out.
Some people want to pretend it's all brilliant. If they are right, shrug your shoulders, laugh and donate what you have prepped. Happy, really happy to be wrong. I'll take embarrassed if that the worst thing I have to deal with.

You talk about my moral compass - I am not the one trying to undermine a free democratic vote

The one that was illegal, advisory and being pushed through by a government propped up by a bung to the guys who don't believe in dinosaurs...that vote?

Why is pointing out problems "undermining ". I didn't know this was a primary school cheerleading class.

As a slight aside is there anything positive we can do
Join local group;
Go on 20.10 march;
Picket Labour and tory conferences;
Write to local paper;
Wear a badge;
Write to Local Authorities and request information about contingency plans for schools;
If you're on twitter, post picture of your dog for #Wooferendum. .
( it is a bit cattist but.....)

For prepping for 29.3.19 onwards, James Patrick has written this leaflet.
If you are on twitter he (ex copper) and and ex soldier are doing a series of podcasts on personal and family planning for crash out.
www.byline.com/column/67/article/2287
thermopylaeco.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/getting-ready-together1.pdf

Looks like we need to import skills to deal with our nuclear submarines.

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/21/nuclear_submarine_spending_pac_report/

Obviously there are one or two nuclear scientists and engineers among the Brexiteer brigade. Just a shame there weren't more. Still, at least we can have more non-EU immigration to help us out.

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Brexit is ike the Y2K bug always again.Years of tinfoil hate wearing idiots scaremongering and stockpiling, and then nothin happened.

Years of tinfoil hate wearing idiots scaremongering and stockpiling, and then nothin happened
Because so much money and time was spent mitigating it.

Remind me who in government is in charge of ensuring our transport, security, food and medicine for the whole country from 29.3.19 post 'no deal'?

And how much Leave funders and Leave governement ministers are expecting to make personally from a 'no deal'?

God's sake - not the old Y2K bug shiz again.

Almost always bought up by people who had no involvement in it ....

Brexit is ike the Y2K bug always again.Years of tinfoil hate wearing idiots scaremongering and stockpiling, and then nothin happened

God it is like idiot bingo.

The usual brainless stuff from Leavers. Some time back someone asked that they bet no one knew who their MEP was. I can't be bothered to scroll back to read, but clearly they hadn't got the first clue about the European Parliament either, or they would have known that we don't have 'an MEP'. However, I do know who 5 of the MEPs who represent me are. Supposedly represent me, I should say, because two of them namely Hannan and Farage, especially Farage, are totally useless.

I don't know how we explain this to our children right now.

Hundreds of vulnerable children as young as 10, who have spent most of their lives in the UK, are having their applications for British citizenship denied for failing to pass the government’s controversial “good character” test

Figures published by the Home Office after a freedom of information request by the Guardian show that, on average, one child a week has had their application rejected over the last five years – with campaigners estimating that as many as 400 have been denied citizenship for failing to satisfy the good character requirement since it was introduced in 2006

In some cases, children who were born in the UK have been turned down on the basis of convictions for crimes as trivial as petty theft, with even offences that are punished with a caution or a fine considered serious enough to warrant their rejection

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/21/children-as-young-as-10-de

If Nigel Faridge had been subjected to these rules, as a school boy, he might have been deported as a child.

To be fair, the above is happening to UK citizens too. Shoplifter at 14? Don't expect to get a teaching job then, or any job where a DBS check is required. All convictions should be wiped off your record at 18 unless it was one requiring a custodial sentence. But that's for another thread.

To be fair, the above is happening to UK citizens too
These are UK citizens.
They are being denied citizenship, under threat of deportation.
The are little children.
Guess what colour their skin is.

Correct link.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/21/children-as-young-as-10-denied-uk-citizenship-for-failing-good-character-test?CMP=share_btn_tw

PM's statement at 14.

This whole thing scares me. What a fucking disaster.

@ChardonnaysPrettySister - try not to be scared. Hop on over to the Prepper topic. Doesn't mean you need a tin foil hat. All about getting a buffer of food in so that any shortages in the shops (even short term ones) won't hit as hard.
Preppers like me prep for all sorts of things - bad snow is my immediate likely one.
You don't need to do anything you don't want to.
If I end up with egg on my face because it's all brilliant, then so be it.

ALL I can see on here , largely from Reaminers, is put downs and downright INSULTS .

You seem to think you are somehow oh so superior to Leavers and that your little darlings are the centre of the world . They are NOT . Leavers have kids too, that they want the best for but none of you see that .
Too busy insulting people who don't think YOUR EXACT WAY !

As for PREPPERS , YOU will cause food shortages you selfish twats .

IF you can afford extra shopping per week for months and months well bully for YOU . Not everybody can so look at YOURSELVES when their are shortages .

@Leesa65

You sound a little worried, why do you care if people prep, worried Brexit isn't turning out to be the sunlit uplands you were sold?

Well if I was a Leaver, and after over 600 replies not one of my fellow leavers had actually said anything remotely useful in the real world, then I'd be a little more than worried.

I suspect a lot of Brexiteers think screws are crinkle-cut-nails.

Not everybody can so look at YOURSELVES when their are shortages

Don’t worry, apparently Brexit is going to be really great for the average working class person. Only mc people are going to suffer.

As for PREPPERS , YOU will cause food shortages you selfish twats .

So you are admitting that our food supply chain is rather weak and vulnerable in places and a sudden disruption or change relating to the system of any kind will cause problems?

It sure sounds like it and that deep down you are worried but aren't prepared to admit it and instead are just lashing out at people who have stated what you don't want to hear.

And because if that's the case, a no deal situation really is something we want to avoid.

And the government should be working to an article 50 extension to ensure that this doesn't happen and there isn't a need for or an anxiety that leads to, stockpiling.

And any changes to our trading relationship should be staggered and drawn out to ensure there is adequate time for businesses to adjust to this properly.

Of course they cannot do this until they know the deal on the table...

It's all circular and comes back to poor management of the Brexit process being a bigger issue than Brexit itself. And that's down to May and her red lines which resemble a prison that trap the uk into its own self indulgent fantasy wank about Empire.

Any food shortages caused by anything are the responsibility of government to prevent.

Don't be a mug and excuse their incompence and lack of foresight.

Again.