to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Underneath

Problem is that people think we can just call a second vote so won't just band together

If the vote had been remain I would have accepted it and stayed par of the inept EU. Remainers can't seem to.

Changehere

Because, ultimately, we achieve that by surrendering our national autonomy

It’s the ultimate example of outsourcing. What price freedom?

The shite no deal plan is 200 meds

My DP's one disease has about 40 life saving meds, not all work for all people.

Epilepsy has around 20 life saving meds.

ME has 250 life saving or easing suffering meds.

woman ent being hysterical do the math...three disorders have wiped the floor of the shite plans.

The moment Boris Johnson spots his chance to oust Theresa May to become PM by giving a speech where he retracts his support for Leave and comes out for Remain he will. He cares more about being PM than anything else.

And I reckon about 85% of leavers will follow him. Because it's Boris.

Labour are wobbling as to whether to support a People's Vote. If they do it will come too late. Boris will get there first. And so we will end up with another term of Tories in power.

Deathbysnoring

I agree but whichever way you cut it labour are out of the governing game until they sort their internal nonsense out

I’m not your mate and you don’t seem to do anything except promote hysteria
It's mumsnet, we're all mates. You do sound a bit testerial though. Try a camomile tea.

Camomile tea? Presumably you are stockpiling such fripperies for the zombie apocalypse

But in this global world, no individual country - not even North Korea - has pure national autonomy. Instead, being a major part of a collective organisation we can influence the rules. Under Chequers, the UK would adopt the same rules, but without a say. How does that increase national autonomy?

Frankly, without allies the world becomes a lonely place. Just look at how the EU support Ireland. There is no wavering on the commitment to no hard border - Ireland is a member so One for All and All for One. This gives Ireland much more power than it would ever have alone.

We DO NOT KNOW what will happen when we leave.

But we do know what the legal consequences will be of leaving agreements that we are currently party to without making new agreements to replace them.

So we do know, for example, that if we leave the Open Skies Agreement without putting something in place to replace it, planes will not be able to take off or land in the UK after Brexit day.

It is perfectly possible to say if X happens, then Y will be the consequence.

And some people are suggesting that we don't know any of the potential consequences of Brexit, which simply isn't true.

10degreestostarboard Could not agree more!

Changehere

I agree but it’s a question of where you draw the line. Countries like Australia function perfectly well in local trade agreements with nearby nations - the difference is ambition. The eu doesn’t merely want to be a trading bloc. If it did I wouldn’t have a problem with it

The moment Boris Johnson spots his chance to oust Theresa May to become PM by giving a speech where he retracts his support for Leave and comes out for Remain he will. He cares more about being PM than anything else.

And I reckon about 85% of leavers will follow him. Because it's Boris.

Labour are wobbling as to whether to support a People's Vote. If they do it will come too late. Boris will get there first. And so we will end up with another term of Tories in power.

To be honest, if this happens, I would hold my nose and vote for the Tories (for the first time ever) under Boris.

I would rather have five more years of the Tories and remain in the EU than have anyone else in power and leave.

But I can't see it happening.

How do we get from Day one to all these lovely deals that everyone is queuing up to make for us?

10 degrees
You still fail to understand. You are either a troll or someone with no capability for rational thought or even a memory as you have been told repeatedly in many ways by many people. The UK is leaving the EU because you and 17 million others voted for it. You are leaving a club with many benefits. Great. Put your coat on and leave, paying your final bill on the way out (about £20 Billion or thereabouts). £40 Billion if you get a transition period.
The EU would prefer the UK not to leave but (you) have made your choice.The efficient running of businesses across the channel will cease and with new tariffs everything will get more expensive, about 10 percent each time something crosses EU/UK or vice versa.
These are not 'my' false prophesies, but statements made by practically everyone who is not a 'leaver'.

Jeremy Corbyn has been opposed to the eu his whole career . He sees it as the manifestation of ‘big business’

It is probably the only thing on which he and I would agree, albeit for different reasons

In fact the only point at which I would regret my leave vote is in the event of a corbyn government because without eu rules he would be free to pursue his socialist delusions

10degrees - true it is a trade-off. But the UK had opt-outs from the main constraints. We were out of the Euro, out of Schengen, we had the budget rebate. By far the best deal in the EU. But still it wasn’t enough.

Personally, an EEA solution seems ideal. Yes, the UK would be a rule-taker but in spirit the UK does not believe in the European project. That’s a shame as I love being European but if it’s heart isn’t it, fine. But in a global world, don’t cut yourself off economically from your neighbours. That way madness lies

Leclerc - I’m not arguing with you and I don’t doubt things may get more expensive

But there is a world of difference between price rises and some of the garbage in posts on this thread threatening plague and pestilence

It's going to be shit. Please pop by and list all the benefits we'll have post Brexit. No soundbites or any of that Brexit Means Brexit shite. Actual costed benefits, supported by evidence - cos I'm an auditor and I like that sort of stuff - where we will be better off.

The eu doesn’t merely want to be a trading bloc. If it did I wouldn’t have a problem with it

And lots of Leavers have the same view. So why can't we stay in the customs union? It would resolve the NI issue - and Gibraltar too.

The single market is more of an issue because of FOM but other than the fact that Liam Fox can't prance around the world negotiating non-existent trade deals, I can't see why we can't stay in the customs union. That was what the EEC was, originally.

10 degrees

Can you tell me how the 200 med stockpile will work for everyone please?

Or do you accept it won't and you don't care?

Changehere

I agree we had a cracking deal already. But I am not European, I am British and I don’t want to be absorbed into that superstate in years to come

10 but if we had a Corbyn government he would have have won 'the vote' and you would have lost and so by Brexit logic he gets to do whatever he wants. Unless you actually think Parliament should act to protect the country from extreme plans that will harm the country in the long run.

Hazardswan

It’s a non issue and I don’t care

If your British then your European

Fact.

10 degrees

Why is a non issue?