to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

@BlitheringIdiots - no it's not a one way street but we are in the EU for loads of lovely trade deals with third countries that end for us when we leave. We had those deals as part of the EU. We lose access to them. The other 27 do not.
Yes we are a big market but we aren't the only market. That big lovely deal with Japan that the EU has just signed. Not for us.

imposing worse laws on the country

With all due respect you don't seem to know how the union works.

Try femi on Twitter... he has some good (and brief) videos

mobile.twitter.com/Femi_Sorry

We will make our own deals free from European constraints. How do you think we managed before the EU stranglehold on the country. Wish people would stop being so melodramatic. It will be fine.

Should be worrying more about the next recession due to US corporate loans. That's a far worse worry.

With all due respect ha ha ha

Let’s say for a moment that I agree with you that we depend upon the eu for basics such as medicine.

If so - why is it sensible to rely upon such a single potential point of failure? Why is that sensible?

The Euro is just coins or notes so why would it be a big deal?
European countries often refer to the coins as they did for their pre Euro currency.
@Hesta54
That is a damn good question. I am fairly sure that Mrs May would prefer to call it all off but she wants the title of PM and then there are a bunch (the ERG gang) who sense a way to make a LOT of money when things go wrong. Note how they are betting AGAINST the UK and by putting their personal and business wealth OUTSIDE the UK Pound. Surely you would think that if Brexit is going to be so great they would be putting money INTO the UK. Do you not see this as curious?

@10degreestostarboard

At no point did I say anything so superficial as people should vote Remain just so that they wouldn't need to buy travel insurance. I was using my own example of how EU membership benefitted me in that instance, but if I had suffered the same issue in say, the USA, my travel insurance would have covered me. Although this is actually a relevant topic for anyone with a pre-existing medical condition - many thousands of people are limited to travelling to the EU only, as the cost of medical insurance to travel elsewhere (e.g. the USA) is prohibitive. After Brexit, the loss of the EHIC card may well limit these people to UK travel only.

Meanwhile, you continue to lob bricks into the conversation rather than engage in any form of discussion. It seems that according you things will all be OK because the EU is not going to let the UK starve or run out of medicines.

You are probably right, but what happened to the promises Brexiters voted for; 'the easiest deal ever', 'they need us more than we need them', 'countries knocking down the door to do deals with the UK,' 'no downsides to Brexit, only benefits' etc.? Are you saying that the best that Brexit will offer is that we won't starve or die because those nice EU people (the one's you and other spend hours slagging off) will come to the rescue?

The euro is not just notes and coins. A currency is the basis of a county's financial stability. Just glad we don't have to extricate ourselves from that as well. There's something to be thankful for

Roll on March 29th and the end of project fear in the news.

you really don't need to explain yourself further

You DO know how a forum works, right....?

"We will make our own deals free from European constraints."
Better to make a deal as part of a big bloc than a desperate straggler. We will be desperate because if we don't make deals, we can't get affordable things in the shops.
Including food.
But, hey-ho, lovely passports.

Bet all those people who couldn't be bothered to vote at kicking themselves now if they wanted to remain

Blithering

I don’t think most people care

Roll on March 29th and the end of project fear in the news.

This would be funny if people didn't actually have to carry on with their everyday lives in the UK when everything goes spectacularly tits up at the end of March.

project fear

The pathetic stockpiling as per the government's notices is likely to cause a mini recession on its own...but sure yeahh roll on with the shite plans that don't include everyone and let's have a recession.

Can't wait.

we depend upon the eu for basics such as medicine
We depend on folks like the 'leavers' running the current govt. hence the imminent death threat because of Britsh gov being unable to keep British citizens who need meds, access to them.
Anyone in power who promotes a 'no deal' to its logical conclusion is potentially guilty of vicarious manslaughter.
British laws, mate. British liability for British people.

Bellinsurge

But - the whole premise of this thread is that leaving the eu cuts us off somehow from the international system

If that is true, why is it sensible to be part of an organisation that represents such a risky single point of failure?

10degrees
Specialising in manufacture of various things in some places is beneficial. The Cambridge area of the UK has a higher density of 'computer software' companies for example (or at least had).
Hi tech work tends to cluster in certain areas.
With the existing transport and supply chains, that you know all about, you understand that goods made anywhere in Europe can be delivered reliably to schedule at present. So Pharmaceuticals manufactured in Holland can be delivered to up to 550 million people throughout Europe within a day if demand called for it.
Delay is almost as likely getting it from Holland (say) to Manchester by getting stuck in the roadworks on the M6 in Cheshire, as anywhere else on the route.
You could try and work these simple things out yourself of course.

Woman - you are quite the overblown dramatist

It's just the law, mate.

Leclerc

If your false prophesies come to pass it will be because the eu doesn’t want to prevent them

All 'currency' is promissory notes, they are not worth the paper or metal they are made from.

Woman

I’m not your mate and you don’t seem to do anything except promote hysteria

10

Yes probably not.

It will be fine and all the scaremongers are really not helping at all. We DO NOT KNOW what will happen when we leave.

I voted remain, but there were good arguments either side, would it not be better for our country(and our children-for the person that brought that up before) if we banded together to bolster our case rather than fighting for a lost cause.

Benefits of the EU - common regulatory standards and no barriers to trade. This sounds dry and abstract but it’s big. A broadcaster/manufacturer/bank/pharmaceutical company/driver that is qualified in the UK is able to operate in all of the EU with no additional paperwork. This means one form is needed to access an entire continent.

Being out of the single market means we lose all these benefits unless we reach a separate deal. So whereas the Discovery Channel could locate in the UK and then broadcast to 28 countries, post-Brexit it can’t and instead move country to broadcast to the 27. Similarly, banks and insurance companies lose the right to access the 27 countries; UK pharmaceuticals are no longer automatically recognised - drugs companies will need to apply for separate clearance in the UK and in the EU etc.. etc

NI becomes a mess again. Since it’s inception NI society is entirely divided on the question of whether NI should be British or Irish. Under the EU and the GFA it didn’t really matter - it could be both. People could choose an Irish passport and to live their day-to-day life as though the border didn’t exist. Brexit (taking back control) reinstates the border and so partitions Ireland all over again. Some in the DUP welcome it as anything which separate NI from the rest of Ireland they see as positive. There is an obvious solution to have any checks at the ports, which could cause minimal disruption, and could be a win-win for NI economically but the DUP will never have it. Though polls show that NI would vote for it, in preference to a hard border.

Being in the UK also means the UK has friends internationally who tend to back each other up in support. Without EU backing the UK lost its seat at the International Court as it doesn’t have enough allies. There are only a very few countries worldwide the UK has not been in a war against. We have forgotten most of them, but they are a central part of the other countries history and they don’t tend to view it so favourably. After the referendum, Farage boasted of getting Independence without having to fight for it - who were all those wars of independence against? It is still living memory for many countries.

Anyway, being in the EU makes the country richer, gives us allies and preserves peace. What’s not to like?