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to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

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HurricaneFloss · 20/09/2018 13:25

DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

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10degreestostarboard · 20/09/2018 18:51

Jacques

You said your circle was limited to those who think act and talk like you so your worldview seems pretty limited. Do you not like challenge/ dissent?

10degreestostarboard · 20/09/2018 18:52

Yes I work in supply chains which is why I would like someone to explain why they think the eu would let it come to such a point of disaster. It’s ridiculous. It’s not impossible but if it did happen, it would be because the eu were actively seeking that outcome.

bellinisurge · 20/09/2018 18:53

Is your big plan - they won't let us starve. Is that it?

10degreestostarboard · 20/09/2018 18:56

You are making the wrong assumption - why would it be morally ok for the eu to actively seek uk shortages for the sake of it?

It would be cutting the uk off for the sake of it. That won’t happen and the fact you think it might says a lot about you and a lot about the eu

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 18:57

The point, 10degrees is that an 'unintended consequence' of Brexit will be the failure of the economy, either quickly or slowly and that with fewer jobs, less money it will tend to increase crime, at a point where the police who are already stretched to breaking or beyond will be unable to deal with many 'issues'. They have already almost abandoned investigating 'car' crime. The government has already cancelled police leave for the period around 'Brexit day' but that cannot last indefinitely.
Unemployed, drugs, shortage of police, prisons already near full or maybe overfull already is not a good mix.
You are of course incorrect, proper health service provision is certainly affordable IF the government decides to put some effort and money into it. Unfortunately the government seems to think that replacing Trident and building a new trainline that few will be able to afford once built is better than looking after the health of the nation.
These are NOT EU issues of course but successive governments failing to put money where it is needed. I presume you have overlooked the reports that say immigrants (particularly EU) benefit the UK. Do you condone Mrs May for having suppressed publication of 6 of these reports?

DesertCactus · 20/09/2018 18:57

It's pointless engaging with 10.

CiderBrains · 20/09/2018 18:58

The EU were never going to make it easy for us to leave but if they are so bloodyminded to the point they will make it so awful for us to leave and awful for us afterwards (I mean how dare we say we aren't happy!) then are they really the kind of people we want to be associated with in the first place?

When you are unhappy in your marriage and your partner makes it as difficult as possible to leave and Is an ass afterwards, wouldn't we be saying to the person that they are well rid of that controlling asshole? We certainly wouldn't encourage them to stay because it's too difficult to leave!

JacquesHammer · 20/09/2018 18:58

*You said your circle was limited to those who think act and talk like you so your worldview seems pretty limited

Just to help your comprehension, I actually said

I just tend to associate with people I’m very aligned with both in terms of experience, politics, faiths etc

Not quite what you took from it

Do you not like challenge/ dissent?

I very much enjoy a decent political discussion. Unfortunately I’m yet to meet a leave voter who can provide that. Whether IRL or online. Hence I tend not to bother associating with people who don’t bring value to my life longer than I have to.

bellinisurge · 20/09/2018 19:01

@10degreestostarboard - if you are "in supply chains" I hope your clients are making contingency plans that don't involve you. Your childlike optimism is fine when you kick back at home but not very professional.

DesertCactus · 20/09/2018 19:03

It will be the hold up at ports and the distribution that will be problematic, nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with our inept Government who have made NO preparations for the coming shitstorm.

Notonthestairs · 20/09/2018 19:06

CiderBrains - we can leave anytime. They are not forcing us round the table, we are hanging on in the hope of doing a deal on our own terms and disregarding the fundamental principles behind the EU which we previously agreed to. Besides which it is a trading/business relationship, exactly nothing like a marriage.

10degreestostarboard · 20/09/2018 19:06

Leclerc

Replacing trident helps us not be blackmailed by countries like Russia who certainly won’t put their nukes down ever

That’s worth paying for - or do you want us reliant on the us for protection?

Defrack · 20/09/2018 19:07

Can any leave actually tell me why they voted this way?

JWIM · 20/09/2018 19:09

10 I think you will find that the US already has a considerable say in our use of our Trident nuclear deterrent.

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 19:12

I suppose drug dealing could be classed as 'a supply chain' type of activity. Since 10degrees is unaware of real supply chain issues that affect people that work in a lawful manner, it raises the suspicions further.
The assertion that the EU is deliberately making things difficult to 'leave' is simply incorrect, they are abiding by well documented rules, and not making it up as they go along like some members of the current government. It was Lord Kerr, a Scot who was largely responsible for drafting the A50 and it was designed to make it at least a bit 'challenging' but possible to leave. The fact that the current government have ballsed up so spectacularly is not the EU's fault.
The UK has had 20, 30 years or more to come up with a workable plan to leave, but it didn't start doing so until Mrs May had triggered A50.

BanananananaDaiquiri · 20/09/2018 19:15

How is it so hard to understand?

One of the benefits of our current EU membership is having trade deals and supply chains in place which allow smooth, expedited provision of foodstuffs, medications etc.

WE have chosen to leave the EU. It is up to US to put new trade deals, suppliers, processes in place. It's not the responsibility of the EU to bail us out once we're no longer a member, any more than it's their responsibility to bail out Nigeria or Columbia or New Zealand if they suddenly encountered shortages.

BlitheringIdiots · 20/09/2018 19:16

Wish they would just crack on with it now. A deal will be done in the next two months you watch. They need the UK. They won't let their citizens in the UK be penalized.

If they just kept it out the news and quietly brokered a deal all would be good

It's all this dick comparing that's annoying me. The oneupmanship leaks.

1tisILeClerc · 20/09/2018 19:17

10degrees
I assure you, a small bottle of Novichok and hacking into the internet is far easier for Russia than the expense of wasting a nuclear missile.
Trident won't protect you from that. However, being part of an EU security network with friends is more helpful. Shame the UK is leaving that.

bellinisurge · 20/09/2018 19:24

@BlitheringIdiots - they really don't need us as much as we need them. They really don't.

Hesta54 · 20/09/2018 19:26

An honest question, if it is going to be as bad as many of you are suggesting ( I think somewhere in the middle for a while) why would any PM, government, Parliament, carry on with it, They could at anytime stop, they could have after DC resigned stopped it, They haven’t, so Why not if it’s going to be as disastrous as many of you think

Hesta54 · 20/09/2018 19:27

bellinisurge I agree with you so why don’t they say this is what we are offering, take it or leave it, why waste time negotiating?

BlitheringIdiots · 20/09/2018 19:28

Of course they do. It's not a one way street. Once we've extracted ourselves life will carry on in a new way. We should never have got so involved in the first place. Just glad we never embraced the euro.

BlitheringIdiots · 20/09/2018 19:30

They can't stop. There was a vote. It's been set in parliament now. The EU won't turn around and say oh good don't leave without imposing worse laws on the country.

If we all had a second vote every time someone didn't like the outcome nothing would ever be decided. Perhaps we can re run the World Cup semi final because it wasn't fair England lost.

10degreestostarboard · 20/09/2018 19:32

Jwim

Untrue ref your point about us control of uk nukes - our submarines are at sea and ready to independently fire

HateIsNotGood · 20/09/2018 19:33

Jacques - you really don't need to explain yourself further - you already said it, you know 2 Leave voters (who are family so you can't really choose if you actually know them, just go NC) and everyone else you know has voted to Remain (as far you know). Hardly a representative demographic unless you only know 4.5-5 people.

Anyway, if it makes you happy, crack on.