to think our children will not forgive us if we don't sort Brexit out

[HurricaneFloss]

DFiL voted Leave. He's not thick and he had his reasons but, to be frank, he's 80 and not going to have to live with the consequences long term. Especially, if the NHS don't manage to stockpile his multiple medications in the event of a No Deal.

AIBU to think we all need to kick up an almighty stink to ensure that our Government makes a deal that will protect our children's futures - even if that means remaining. Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERG buddies predict it could be 50 years for the UK to see the benefits of leaving the EU. That's too late for my DD.

Austerity has damaged enough lives, we can't let Brexit do more harm. It's no good shrugging and saying "Leave won". If this isn't sorted out there will be no winners.

Your ‘cost’ is a prediction, not a certainty

Jaqueshammer

Purrlease - I know nothing of your medical problems and frankly you are not the only one in the uk on long term medication.

So why are you scaremongering?

Havana - I hope you had Holiday Insurance - the EHIC surely didnn't cover it all.

And yes - a return to the Nursing system of yesteryear would be a good thing I think. Including the SEN/SRN system - so it's not necessary to follow the degree-course system (whole diff thread).
Mind you, the Nurses Accommodation provided had a definite Student, Party vibe - which is a plus or minus, depending on circumstance.

I also recall that there were a lot of NZ/OZ nurses that came on special Visas as well as WI too.

So, leaving the EU shouldn't really affect our ability to recruit Foreign Nurses.

But the nursing system of yesteryear is no longer affordable.

Perhaps population growth (freedom of movement) is at least partly responsible. The system becomes less affordable as more resource is required

While not entirely Brexit related, there was a programme last week or the week before about the continued punishment beatings and 'kneecapping' in parts of Belfast.
In the comments about the review of the programme, one 'pleasant' poster suggested that this summary 'justice' outside the law ought to be brought to mainland UK. Given the shortage of doctors and nurses, police etc, how would you feel about this happening in your neighbourhood? Would you like to take your son to have his knees shot through as it is 'preferable' to other treatment they might receive? This is 'blamed' on a failure of policing in NI no doubt made worse by cuts.
Mr Hammond has promised lots of cuts in the near future although strangely still continuing with HS2 (the train to nowhere).

Leclerc

what is your point?

Purrlease - I know nothing of your medical problems and frankly you are not the only one in the uk on long term medication

Cool so you screw loads of people over. Slow hand clap.

So why are you scaremongering?

Are you suggesting the information GP surgeries are receiving over potential shortages is just lies? Quick, do share your wisdom

I know two people who voted Brexit. Both simply because they’re racist twats. I mean I always knew they were blithering idiots. I’m disinclined to alter that view and indeed not assume it of other Brexit voters.

They never do actually give me cause to change my opinion.

@HateIsNotGood

I hope you had Holiday Insurance - the EHIC surely didnn't cover it all

The EHIC card covered everything - one of the benefits of EU membership.

After the operation I was able to continue the holiday and to travel home as planned, so no need for the travel insurance to cover anything in this instance.

Well Jacques so you actually know a grand total of 2 people who voted Brexit. You probably know more but they certainly wouldn't be telling you would they?

I have absolutely no idea how anybody I know voted, I really don't. I like it that way.

Still a lot of generic sound bites and brexit-at-any-cost rhetoric going on here.
Just remember history always judges harshly those who put ideology before all else.

You probably know more but they certainly wouldn't be telling you would they?

I just tend to associate with people I’m very aligned with both in terms of experience, politics, faiths etc.

My family certainly all voted remain apart from aforementioned one. Having now seen the racist views he holds, I don’t associate with him any more.

Ah so the world revolves around jaques

Explain to me why shortages would be caused

Yes Havana - I do know what the EHIC card is (obviously - I have one) and well done for not needing to use your Holiday Insurance at all, because in a lot of EU places, you would be foolish to chance it on just your EHIC.

It's not scaremongering re: medication. There have been technical notices released by the Government. I'm type 1 diabetic and will die without insulin, so, yeah I'm worried. Some of you leavers have the empathy of a gnat!

Havana

Well you got me. I’m convinced now - if I had known at the vote that I would have to arrange my own holiday insurance if we left the eu I definitely would have become a remainer. It’s a killer fact

C'est le difference between you and me then Jacques - I'm happy to know all people generally irrespective of their (private) views until I don't want to know them.

Vive Le Difference!

Ah so the world revolves around jaques

FYI my name is written in front of you....but yes, if you call wanting my child to have access to vital medication “revolving around me” then sure.

Explain to me why shortages would be caused

Changes to regulations, changes to movement, changes to prices.

I know a number of people who work in pharmacies who are exceedingly concerned and are attending nationwide meetings to come up with a strategy. But sure faceless MN-warrior knows more.

Ok @10degreestostarboard , I'll bite. Our supermarkets, in fact most industry, operates on a Just in time basis. Even the slightest interruption causes a backlog of stuff and food does not get to shelves. Bad weather can do this, for example.
With me so far?
Anything we import from the EU including food is likely to hit a delay getting here. And our supermarkets do not hold more than 3 days stock.
As for importing from outside the EU, all the trade deals we currently have with anyone are trade deals made as members of the EU. We leave the EU and those deals exclude us. We have to make new ones.
That's why we'll have shortages.

Actually I work in supply chains

But keep scaremongering based on heresay

Ok @10degreestostarboard - tell me why I am wrong.

@10degreestostarboard

But the nursing system of yesteryear is no longer affordable

Nonsense. You, and people like you, who have openly stated that you are not prepared to pay sufficient tax for a better service, have encouraged the government to decide that they won't spend the necessary money.

There is no magic money tree, but the government still found cash for the DUP, says that we can fund a new system to replace Galileo GPS, can find £20bn for a new customs infrastructure etc. etc.

Other European countries have decided that public healthcare (not necessarily the same model as the NHS) is a priority and have decided to tax and invest accordingly. The UK has one of the lowest ratios of nurses and doctors per 1,000 patients in the whole of Europe and the developed world. As the population is aging and making more demands on the service, the country is reaping what has been sown.

Leaving the EU is not going to improve this situation if the UK has to say goodbye to doctors, nurses and healthcare workers from the EU - the country is already under-resourced to the tune of 100,000 NHS staff and as many again in the wider healthcare sector.

woman11017 What answer are you expecting, it all depends on the deal, no deal, extension, revoking, how can you plan, when you don’t know what your planning for

Actually I work in supply chains

Suuuuuuuuure

So let me get this straight - your beloved eu, that benevolent and kindly organisation will sit back and watch all of us die of type 1 diabetes or starve?

And you don’t seem anything morally wrong about staying in a cartel that would behave in such a way?

@10degreestostarboard - this "cartel" won't have any choice.
Again, you are "in supply chains" why will it be ok?